dog-on

Scissors, what else...

jgoodguy

So quaint. Computer cut and paste has been around for 25 or more years.:Cheeky:

IMHO, the available text cannot be analyzed for any significant information. The best possible HJ analysis comes up with a Jewish preacher that got himself executed. His relatives and friends formed an organization(AKA the Jerusalem Church), None of which had a impact on the religion that became Christianity other than providing personal and place names.

The problem with recovering HJ ur-stuff from the available text is that you get a HJ that has no relationship to Christianity. Other than discomforting the more zealous JMers, that information has little value.

dog-on

See, told ya...scissors...

avi

For a guy so enamored of history, one expects better precision.....

QED editor (with cut and paste) dates from late 60's, and first WYSIWYG editor appeared in 1974 at Xerox Parc.....

avi

jgoodguy

Ah but I left a weasel room phase "or more years". :devil3:

Even with 43 years in the IT dodge, I did not run into Cut and Paste until the 80s at best and on a 3270 line oriented monitor at that. I kinda doubt that any HJers would be hanging out in Palo Alto, California waiting to play with the pioneering GUI. Unix had similar tools, but VT100s and kin are also line oriented.

Looks like a lucky HJer might get access to a Xerox 8010 Star Information System in the early 80s with a GUI Apple had some GUI products in the mid to late 80. 25 years from 2011 is 1986 so we are at the 25 year mark.

Could have been worst, in 1970 or 1971, I helped a professor analyze some literature using punched cards as input.

aeebee50

Watch out for the poison ones. That is why I do not pick my own, but have to trust others. Does not sound safe to trust others, but whatever, I have to go some time.

andrewcriddle

I regard multiply attested material as probably going back to very early tradition. (Material in Matthew and/or Luke copied from Mark is not multiply attested in the relevant sense) For example I found convincing Meier's argument, that the references to Jesus as a miracle worker come in so many strata of the Gospels that this must be early tradition, despite not being found in Paul or other non-Gospel NT sources.

Even if I'm right this really only tells you about early tradition. Accepting FTSOA that some groups of Christians before 50 CE were telling wonder stories about Jesus, it is unclear what conclusions a critical historian can draw about the Historical Jesus.

However some parts of early tradition are relatively unproblematic. Assuming FTSOA that the association between Jesus and John the Baptist is early tradition then it is presumably historical.

Andrew Criddle

Vorkosigan

I see. Thank you.

Vorkosigan

mountainman

Too late - legend has it that Constantine used them as bits for the bridles of his horses.


Mixed with horse sweat? I dont think so.


Jesus kissed Mary often (we dont know where). WTF has marraige got to do with it?


The Basilica of the Historical Jesus


The temple of the historical jesus is a basilica. I think that Philosopher Jay's diagram has a great deal of merit.


These foundations of the "pagan" temples were recycled to serve as the foundations of the "Temples of the Historical Jesus". We have people like Augustine, finding that "only a few words and phrases" needed to be changed to bring Platonism into complete accord with Christianity.


There is a mystery here Philosopher Jay. While Augustine (November 13, 354 – August 28, 430) sees such a great similarity between Platonism and Christianity, another 4th century christian writer and Bishop Epiphanius of Salamis (ca. 310–320 – 403) includes Hellenism, Judaism, Stoicism, Platonistism and Pythagoreanism in the first seven heresies of the Official Top 80 Heresies Chart used by orthodox heresiological christians after Constantine.

Best wishes,


Pete

jgoodguy

No Y chromosome would indicate a female sex.