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Old 12-14-2010, 04:56 PM   #21
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Terrific! By far the best explanation When Joshus told the sun and moon to stop moving, he really wasn't telling the sun and moon to stop moving.

Thank you much for this explanation.
This forum is not really intended to make fun of inerrantists. I made the suggestion that perhaps one should read the bible before commenting on how foolishly some people interpret it.

Your sarcasm is not very attractive, but I'm sure you're a fine person otherwise.
You're right. I shouldn't have thanked him.
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The sun stood still?

Doesn't it always stand still (relative to the ORBITING planets)?

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This, of course, makes miraculous intervention unnecessary.

It takes no miraculous effort to make something stand still that's already standing still.
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It takes no miraculous effort to make something stand still that's already standing still.

Well....yeah... except then you have to make the earth stand still. A pretty neat trick, too.
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In Catholicsm Christmas is celebrated for 2 days because daylight never came on the night that Christ was born and the same will happen to us when Christ is born in us. This can happen on any day of the year as it will be our own specific Christ-mass day. Then after that if everything goes right the sun will stop again at Easter but here the evening did not come and will not come ever again on the seventh day which therefore is called Sunday and is why Easter is always celebrated on a regular Sunday.

It had nothing to do with what Joshua said but is what we say without words.

I can go on to say that in real time days are an illusion because light was before the sun came to be . . . which still is true today for without me the sun could never be, for me.

The obvious here then too is that Sunday is the Seventh day of the week in Christendom and not the first and that alone should tell you that either we have our calendars wrong or we are wrong as Christians.
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In Catholicsm Christmas is celebrated for 2 days because daylight never came on the night that Christ was born and the same will happen to us when Christ is born in us. This can happen on any day of the year as it will be our own specific Christ-mass day. Then after that if everything goes right the sun will stop again at Easter but here the evening did not come and will not come ever again on the seventh day which therefore is called Sunday and is why Easter is always celebrated on a regular Sunday.

It had nothing to do with what Joshua said but is what we say without words.

I can go on to say that in real time days are an illusion because light was before the sun came to be . . . which still is true today for without me the sun could never be, for me.

The obvious here then too is that Sunday is the Seventh day of the week in Christendom and not the first and that alone should tell you that either we have our calendars wrong or we are wrong as Christians.
And the dinosaurs became extinct because there was no more room on the Ark.
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Just a question:

The Bible is not the only text to speak of a "day with the sun stood still." There are also references to it among indigenous tribes throughout the world, the same way there is a "great flood" story as well.

And though I have never seriously researched it, I've often wondered if a passing comet or meteor could have an effect on the earth's magnetic field enough to disrupt it's revolution for a short period of time.

Does anyone know if that is scientifically possible?
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In Catholicsm Christmas is celebrated for 2 days because daylight never came on the night that Christ was born and the same will happen to us when Christ is born in us. This can happen on any day of the year as it will be our own specific Christ-mass day. Then after that if everything goes right the sun will stop again at Easter but here the evening did not come and will not come ever again on the seventh day which therefore is called Sunday and is why Easter is always celebrated on a regular Sunday.

It had nothing to do with what Joshua said but is what we say without words.

I can go on to say that in real time days are an illusion because light was before the sun came to be . . . which still is true today for without me the sun could never be, for me.

The obvious here then too is that Sunday is the Seventh day of the week in Christendom and not the first and that alone should tell you that either we have our calendars wrong or we are wrong as Christians.
And the dinosaurs became extinct because there was no more room on the Ark.
Yes, and that was the first ark which was long before Noah's ark.
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Just a question:

The Bible is not the only text to speak of a "day with the sun stood still." There are also references to it among indigenous tribes throughout the world, the same way there is a "great flood" story as well.

And though I have never seriously researched it, I've often wondered if a passing comet or meteor could have an effect on the earth's magnetic field enough to disrupt it's revolution for a short period of time.

Does anyone know if that is scientifically possible?
Metamorphosis is universal to mankind and not restricted to Judaism and Catholicism so it could very well happen throughout the world but must be encultured like it was a 'cultured pearl of great worth' since we would never re-cognize such a natural pearl who never said the sinners prayer (emphasis added for clarification).
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Metamorphosis is universal to mankind and not restricted to Judaism and Catholicism so it could very well happen throughout the world but must be encultured like it was a 'cultured pearl of great worth' since we would never re-cognize such a natural pearl who never said the sinners prayer (emphasis added for clarification).
While this is very quaint, it does not answer my initial question. If indeed the sun "stood still," it would make more sense to try to verify it by seeing if there are stories in various cultures regarding it. Jews are hardly the only ones capable of noticing an odd astrological event. And indeed, this is the case.

For example, take the Andeans. They have a myth from the reign of Yupanqui Pachacuti, II stating that the sun stayed away from their part of the world for more than twenty hours. The Annals of Cuauhtitlan from Mexico also describe an extended period of night. In Asia, there is an astonishing myth from the rule of Yao which states that the sun did not set for "days" and there was a crushing tidal wave that occurred during this time. There are far more than just these as the Incas, the Aztecs, the Babylonians, Persians and the Egyptians all have like stories of an extended day/night.

Some of them also note this occurrence with changes in the ocean, distorted colors in the sky (generally reddish haze that glowed at night), earthquakes and odd behavior in wildlife. And like Joshua, they attribute this event to prayers and omens of some sort.

While I do not believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God, I do think that the Old Testament is an oral history of the Jewish people. There was no clandestine separation of religion and science in those days. And the scribes generally recorded both in conjunction with the other when documenting the rise and fall of a people. Viewed in this light, it makes more sense to try to seek out similar stories to see if they collaborate.

What frustrates me about the scientific time line regarding history is that it is completely logical. However, reality does not work completely on logic. A day in any of of lives can attest to this. Random events also happen quite frequently.

Yet even suggesting that the earth may stop its rotation and begin spinning retrograde or asking if the close proximity of a comet or asteroid in ancient history could cause such an event gets one dismissed outright as a believer in pseudoscience.

I am not a fan or works by Velikovsky or Sitchin. I merely wonder why their detractors go through elaborate lengths to distance themselves from the notion of random events in the earth's astrological history.
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Metamorphosis is universal to mankind and not restricted to Judaism and Catholicism so it could very well happen throughout the world but must be encultured like it was a 'cultured pearl of great worth' since we would never re-cognize such a natural pearl who never said the sinners prayer (emphasis added for clarification).
While this is very quaint, it does not answer my initial question. If indeed the sun "stood still," it would make more sense to try to verify it by seeing if there are stories in various cultures regarding it. Jews are hardly the only ones capable of noticing an odd astrological event. And indeed, this is the case.

For example, take the Andeans. They have a myth from the reign of Yupanqui Pachacuti, II stating that the sun stayed away from their part of the world for more than twenty hours. The Annals of Cuauhtitlan from Mexico also describe an extended period of night. In Asia, there is an astonishing myth from the rule of Yao which states that the sun did not set for "days" and there was a crushing tidal wave that occurred during this time. There are far more than just these as the Incas, the Aztecs, the Babylonians, Persians and the Egyptians all have like stories of an extended day/night.

Some of them also note this occurrence with changes in the ocean, distorted colors in the sky (generally reddish haze that glowed at night), earthquakes and odd behavior in wildlife. And like Joshua, they attribute this event to prayers and omens of some sort.

While I do not believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God, I do think that the Old Testament is an oral history of the Jewish people. There was no clandestine separation of religion and science in those days. And the scribes generally recorded both in conjunction with the other when documenting the rise and fall of a people. Viewed in this light, it makes more sense to try to seek out similar stories to see if they collaborate.

What frustrates me about the scientific time line regarding history is that it is completely logical. However, reality does not work completely on logic. A day in any of of lives can attest to this. Random events also happen quite frequently.

Yet even suggesting that the earth may stop its rotation and begin spinning retrograde or asking if the close proximity of a comet or asteroid in ancient history could cause such an event gets one dismissed outright as a believer in pseudoscience.

I am not a fan or works by Velikovsky or Sitchin. I merely wonder why their detractors go through elaborate lengths to distance themselves from the notion of random events in the earth's astrological history.
There are some people, including Jehova Witnesses, who are into the various VATs from Sumerian/Babylonian times, which are star maps... excuse me if I'm mistating something but here is a sample link:

http://user.tninet.se/~oof408u/fkf/e...artaxerxes.htm

I think if the sun stopped or whatever these guys might have picked it up, and whether it stopped or not the current VAT sluts would have some crazy theory based on some VAT that this happened. There is no such theory to my knowledge, which is sort of an indication that an actual event to suggest this is highly unlikely.

Regarding the nature of the miracle itself, for whatever reason, this has never bothered me. It's not that important, if this is the only thing that prevents someone from believing in the literal truth of the bible, I'd tell them not to worry about it.
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