Deadbeat

Hey afdave. Long time "fan", first time poster - to one of your threads. Just thought I'd chime in with the chorus of "I've read it cover to cover."

I also took three years of private Christian (Mennonite) high school that included mandatory Bible classes, daily chapel, and various other Christian and Bible-specific activities.

Amazingly enough, in the science classes, they taught us about the Theory of Evolution, and how it was the best explanation for the diversity of life on earth. I always think fondly of my Science 10 teacher, who use to offer a quick prayer to God before he would show us how to cut open our frogs and identify the anatomical structures that had evolved from earlier, more primitive forms.

Sauron

Ah.

When you can't answer questions in existing threads, you start a new thread with an accusatory title. Hoping to distract people, Davey?

You realize that nobody is fooled by this trick, right?

Baalazel

In Bible college three times straight through.

Baal

funinspace

This is funny... I grew up mainstream Pres.; and went evangelical/near fundy for a dozen adult years. Yes, I've read the whole thingy, and even some of the books the Protestants threw out. I still own a KJ, NIV, Oxford NRSV Study Bible, the New Bible Commentary, plus some other reference material/books.

Other reading:
Evidence demands a verdict; and a host of other apologetics that I no longer remember by title.
The History of Christianity, Paul Johnson
The Footsteps of the Messiah: A Study of the Sequence of Prophetic Events, Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum,Magnusson, Archeology of the Bible, Magnus
Isaac Asimov's Guide to the Bible
History of the Jews, Joseph Flavious
History of the Church, Eusebius
The Testament, John Grisham
Gnostic texts, like Gospel of Timothy
Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism: A Bishop Rethinks the Meaning of Scripture, Shelby Sponge
1 book on Egyptian archeology, lost title
The Sumerians: Their History, Culture, and Character, Samuel Kramer
The Early History of the Ancient Near East, 9000-2000 B.C. by Nissen, Hans
God in the Dock, C.S. Lewis
Ready with An Answer: For the tough questions about God. John Ankerberg and John Weldon.

Faid

At this point, dave probably thinks that we're all filthy atheist liars that have never even looked at a bible (you know, because if we did, we'd cringe in fear and agony like vampires), and are just messing with him. Oh well.

So dave... Do you have anything meaningful to add? Explain your point, perhaps?

Or is it that you never had a point, and this thread has run its course already? I'm thinking the latter.

Faid

Yes, yes he does- but he has no choice.

mung bean

Absolutely. We are not fooled, Dave. Your tactics are utterly transparent.

Anyway, to answer your question, I have read large parts of the Bible but not the whole thing. As has been mentioned several times parts of it (ie. the begats, etc) are simply too dull and trivial. By the way, my mother actually studied theology formally at a Christian college, so it's not as if I was raised in Maoist China.

To rephrase several good points that have already been made (apologies to those concerned but I cbf'ed looking them all up) I see it like this.

1/ If your god, or indeed any god, exists then reality is the ultimate record of his/her/its works. Human myths are not. The trilobite was an excellent example.
What you are doing Dave is denying god while claiming to represent him.
It's farcical, but we do kind of enjoy it.

2/ The bible exists in many versions, most of which you are probably unaware of. Incidentally have you read the Gospel of Mary Magdalene? The remaining fragment is very short, so that should suit you down to the ground. You may also find the Gospel of Judas Iscariot interesting.

3/ The muddled and unclear nature of much of the bible is ridiculous. As I once said to another YEC, why is it that much of the the book is so bloody opaque? If I'm trying to get a point across to someone I'll go out of my way to clarify it as much as possible, particularly if it's an important point.
Supposedly the bible is the most important thing ever written, but it's so unclear that it requires masses of apologetics, concordances and convoluted,self-serving thinking to "make sense" of it.
As I also said to that other YEC, if I can make myself clear why can't your god? He's supposed to be the clever one here.

4/ Fuck you're a funny bastard.

TomboyMom

So dave, just wondering, did you have a point at all?

Goathead

WOW, what a /PWN.


It seems that there are more poeple here who have read the fucking bible than the tools i have to argue with at uni (im renewing my degree, fuck it shits me off).


Of well, it was a good try mate.


p.s; have YOU ever actually READ the bible, or just the parts you were told too?

And do you like gladiator movies? (that was bloody hilarious, ty poster).

Sauron

Ah.

Are these like your 'great explanations' for the flood? You know, explanations that you can't defend and where you ignore contrary evidence that destroys the basis of your explanation?

Great explanations like that, you mean?
:rolling:

Probably because you lack the intellectual courage to think too closely on the contradictions.