Johnny Skeptic

Is there a historical core for the 'Star Wars' movies? I am not making a case for or against mythicism. I am just not sure that your analogy is valid. If Noah's flood did have a historical core, that would not necessarily imply that all other questionable stories have historical cores.

steve_bnk

Star Wars was a scifi remake of the good old western cowboy movies, which in turn were mythical versions of the real west.

outhouse

Understood bud.

My point is simply the historical core isnt even being argued here, its dismissed with prejudice.

outhouse

You know, there is some accuracy in what you say in relationship to noahs story.

Started in Sumerian legend, retold 3 times before hebrews remade it into their own version.




Noahs flood contains more mythical content then was ever added to HJ, its a night and day difference.

Yet there was a attested flood in 2900 BC that the story originates from.

The same exact way there was a teacher/healer of judaism who started a reform movement within judaism and was put on a cross by romans.

aa5874

You have changed the subject.

The inquiry into the flood as stated in the Bible is independent of the 250 year old Quest for the Historical Jesus.

No historical Jesus has been identified and can ONLY BE ASSUMED.

Only a NON-historical Jesus has been positively IDENTIFIED in the NT.

Myth Jesus, the Son of the Holy Ghost, God the Creator WALKED on the sea and Transfigured in the Canon.

There is only ONE Jesus in the Canon--a non-historical Jesus.

Vorkosigan

No, outhouse, there are many floods that could possibly be the origin of the Flood myth, but none is known to be via a valid historical methodology. It's just people speculating on possible connections.

Once again, you've mistaken possibility for probability.

outhouse

yet you cannot prove he is mythical, nor make a decent case as of such.


As well, jesus has 10X the amount of backing as a historical figure then most figures in history that are not up for debate.


Myther's apply double standards to jesus

mountainman

So too is the fictional core. What's fundamentally wrong with Bilbo Jesus Baggins for Christ's sake?





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outhouse

and thats exactly what "real" history deals with "probabilities"

In this case the probablilities are certain, not only do we have a real flood and a real man in the flood, but we have sripture that in places is word for word with the Mesopotamian traditions

The flood in 2900 BC when the Euphrates overflowed and devistated the region is not up for debate my friend, the man who went down the swollen river is also on the known kings list. There is no debate the flood in 2900 BC started the sumerian legends that later ended up as the Gilgamesh epic.

There is also no debate that Noahs flood in scripture is said to originate from Mesopotamia.

There is also no debate that large amounts of Mesopotamians migrated to Israel after 1200 BC bringing these legends with them. Its why most of your early hebrew legends all have Mesopotamian origins.

outhouse

becuase mythers always blow details out of porportion to fit their less then minority position.

While missing the big picture all together