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Old 04-28-2010, 12:36 PM   #11
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In the NASB, Genesis 8:21 says "The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, 'I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done."
ANd if by 'everything in the world' He means a local flood, there have been local floods sense then. The big tsunami of a while back, hurricanes, big and little floods all over the place.
So if he's talking about a local destructive floodification, then the promise is to stop destroying man by local floodification, and the promise has not been kept.
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In the NASB, Genesis 8:21 says "The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, 'I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done."
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And if by "everything in the world" He means a local flood, there have been local floods sense then. The big tsunami of a while back, hurricanes, big and little floods all over the place. So if he's talking about a local destructive floodification, then the promise is to stop destroying man by local floodification, and the promise has not been kept.
Many if not most localized flood advocates believe that the flood occured in Mesopotamia. Has Mesopotamia been completely covered with water since the supposed time of a localized flood?
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Localized flood advocates could claim that the flood occured in Mesopotamia, and that God has not completely covered Mesopotamia with water again. Of course, it would be ridiculous for God to claim that he would never cover Mesopotamia with water again since people would be spreading all over the world.
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Localized flood advocates could claim that the flood occured in Mesopotamia, and that God has not completely covered Mesopotamia with water again. Of course, it would be ridiculous for God to claim that he would never cover Mesopotamia with water again since people would be spreading all over the world.
Well, if the promise was to never again cover THAT ground with water, with a loophole for every other patch of ground that's been inundated with water, fresh or sea, in the last few thousand years.
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Localized flood advocates could claim that the flood occured in Mesopotamia, and that God has not completely covered Mesopotamia with water again. Of course, it would be ridiculous for God to claim that he would never cover Mesopotamia with water again since people would be spreading all over the world.
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Well, if the promise was to never again cover THAT ground with water, with a loophole for every other patch of ground that's been inundated with water, fresh or sea, in the last few thousand years.
Since Mount Ararat is part of the flood story, and Noah supposedly lived somewhere in the Middle East, the issue cannot be every other patch of ground that has been inundated with water. A localized flood is of course absurd for a number of reasons, and so is a global flood, but regarding the issue that God will never cause a flood to cover the same area with water again, it would not be possible for critics of a localized flood to reasonably prove that no area in the Middle East was covered in water, and has not been covered with water again since it is reasonably possible that some areas of the Middle East have been covered with water and have not been covered with water again.

It is probable that the Bible teaches that the flood was global.
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Just thought I'd mention that Genesis does not say that the ark came to rest on Mount Ararat. It reads "the mountains of Ararat."

As you would expect, there are multiple interpretations of where that would actually be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountains_of_Ararat
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If I recall correctly, David Snoke in A Biblical Case for an Old Earth (or via: amazon.co.uk) claims the flood was geographically local but anthropologically universal. I.E. a regional flood that killed every human on Earth except for eight.

You can almost reach out and touch the dissonance.
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