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Thomas II · 02-14-2013, 04:59 PM

Christianity started at Pentecost...

Sheshbazzar · 02-14-2013, 06:41 PM

....could be. Around 130 CE.

Onias · 02-14-2013, 07:19 PM

We could ask which Chistianity?

Jay Raskin poses this question in his book: The Evolution of Christ and Christianites.

Chili · 02-14-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Onias

We could ask which Chistianity?

Jay Raskin poses this question in his book: The Evolution of Christ and Christianites.

Who is Jay Raskin? or does he not like the name?

Onias · 02-14-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chili

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onias

We could ask which Chistianity?

Jay Raskin poses this question in his book: The Evolution of Christ and Christianites.

Who is Jay Raskin? or does he not like the name?

Just google his name at Amazon.

aa5874 · 02-15-2013, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas II

Christianity started at Pentecost...

Only in Sunday School.

Outside Sunday School there is NO evidence for a Jesus cult before c 70 CE and before the writings of Philo, Josephus, Suetonius and Tacitus.

Up to the mid 2nd century, even supposed Christians wrote nothing about Acts or the Christians in Acts.

aa5874 · 02-15-2013, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mountainman

The most scientific chronological evidence to the OP is the C14 dating of the gJudas to the year 280 CE plus or minus 60 years.

National Geographic commissioned UA for the test and in 2006 published the results that were later described by Peter Head to be "problematic". If you want the details .......

Based on the C14 result as published the gnostics were publishing prohibited and heretical Coptic translations of original Greek stories about Jesus and the Twelve Apostles between the years of 220 and 340 CE. This may rule out the 5th century.

If you want to rule out the first century with aa5874 then we are left with the following three alternatives:

a) Christianity started in the 2nd century

b) Christianity started in the 3rd century

c) Christianity started in the 4th century before 340 CE

Again, mountainman C14 does NOT date the writing but a BLANK sample of the material.

The material tested was produced between c 220 and 340 CE.

The writing itself could be anytime after.

In fact, C 14 does exactly what you do NOT want at all.

C 14 dating will always produce an EARLIER time.

The production of the material will ALWAYS predate the letters written on it.

Duke Leto · 02-17-2013, 12:35 AM

When was the first mammal born?

With or without a historical Jesus a lot of the ideas that comprised what we would think of as Christianity started considerably before Jesus.

Sheshbazzar · 02-17-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke Leto

When was the first mammal born?

In the Late Carboniferous Period, about 300,000,000 years ago.

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With or without a historical Jesus a lot of the ideas that comprised what we would think of as Christianity started considerably before Jesus.

At the most, even by young-earther 'Creationist' estimates, only about 8000 years before Jeezuz birth.

Tommy · 02-17-2013, 12:22 PM

When did Xianity start? Presumably when the first person believed in the resurrection. GJohn reports this was the "other disciple, the one Jesus loved" at the empty tomb. GJohn specifies Jesus loved Lazarus in a couple of places and reports of Lazarus reclining next to Jesus mirror the loved disciple reclining next to Jesus in Jerusalem. So, if GJohn is reliable it would start with Lazarus at the empty tomb.

(Short GMark doesn’t specify the first believer; GMatthew and GLuke which both borrow from GMark don't mention GMark’s imminent second coming prediction implying they knew the return didn't follow the fall of the temple dating them after AD70.)

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02-14-2013, 04:59 PM	#41
Thomas II Veteran Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 8,254	Christianity started at Pentecost...

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Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	....could be. Around 130 CE.

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Onias Regular Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Primary residence in New York State Posts: 231	We could ask which Chistianity? Jay Raskin poses this question in his book: The Evolution of Christ and Christianites.

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Duke Leto Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 3,387	When was the first mammal born? With or without a historical Jesus a lot of the ideas that comprised what we would think of as Christianity started considerably before Jesus.

02-17-2013, 12:22 PM	#50
Tommy Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tasmania Posts: 383	When did Xianity start? Presumably when the first person believed in the resurrection. GJohn reports this was the "other disciple, the one Jesus loved" at the empty tomb. GJohn specifies Jesus loved Lazarus in a couple of places and reports of Lazarus reclining next to Jesus mirror the loved disciple reclining next to Jesus in Jerusalem. So, if GJohn is reliable it would start with Lazarus at the empty tomb. (Short GMark doesn’t specify the first believer; GMatthew and GLuke which both borrow from GMark don't mention GMark’s imminent second coming prediction implying they knew the return didn't follow the fall of the temple dating them after AD70.)

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