aa5874

You were ASKED to provide Credible sources for an historical Paul and you have UTTERLY failed PRECISELY as I predicted.

Again, please fill in the blank space for Paul.

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You display a lack of knowledge for the corroboration of Josephus. You are wasting my time. I fully expected that a person of your supposed intellect and supposed knowledge of languages would have provided the numerous sources that mentioned Josephus.

I know of sources that corroborate Josephus so you should do some research now because I will expose your lack of research on Josephus.

LegionOnomaMoi

However, so far all the sources you define as credible (Josephus, Plutarch, etc.) contain EVIDENCE of mythology. So how can we trust them?


You're missing the point again. I'm not trying to defend Paul's historicity or anyone else's either at the moment. I'm simply trying to apply YOUR criteria and historical methods and see where it leads. One such criterion is to look for EVIDENCE of mythology. But alas, we find that in virtually every single account from the ancient world. Another is to look for corroboration of an author like Paul. But again, alas, so many authors are known to us only through their works.

I eargerly await contemporary (first century early 2nd century) references to a Josephus as corroborating witnesseses to him. And sources that do not contain EVIDENCE of mythology.

aa5874

Please, please, please!!! Myth Fables are NOT credible, they are NOT history, so it is NOT necessary for any source which mentions Myth characters like the Son of a Ghost and Romulus to be accurate.

You display a total lack of understanding of actual events and fables.

People who claim events did actually happen and that Jesus did ACTUALLY LIVE MUST provide CREDIBLE sources.


You are INCAPABLE of defending the history of Paul so you were WASTING my time as I predicted.


Look, you just said you are not trying defend the historicity of any one. This thread is about the historicity of Paul so are wasting time.

No, No, No!!! I do not Manufacture the date of evidence or corroboration. I only use the evidence that is available.

We have Justin Martyr, Cassius Dio, Tertullian, Origen, Irenaeus, and other sources that corroborate Josephus.

If you are attempting to claim that Josephus did NOT exist or is without corroboration when he described himself as a ordinary man with a human father then I don't know how that helps people who are LOOKING for an historical Jesus that was described as the Son of a Ghost and God the creator without a human father.

Adam

I read aa stuff mostly for comic relief, but the usual inability to comprehend shows up in his citation of Justin Martyr as early 2nd Century confirmation for Josephus. Justin's First Apology is dated in Wikipedia as 155 A. D.

No way LegionOnomaMoi should be accused of claiming Josephus never existed, but aa is so deluded as to think so. Instead LegionOnomaMoi is fruitlessly trying to demonstrate to aa that denying Jesus is historical implies Josephus is not historical either.
Hard to believe that tanya, maryhelena, and even some others still favor aa.

Meanwhile almost everyone here fails to understand that my thread Gospel Eyewitnesses http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=306983
corroborates Jesus even during his own lifetime and by at least seven people who traveled with him for months.

aa5874

I will now EXPOSE you as illogical.

You don't even seem to realize that Josephus may have been ALIVE when Justin was a young boy.

Duvduv

In that case the disclaimer for each letter should probably say that the epistles as we know them as canonical texts only exist after this entire process was completed in the Constantinian period or thereafter.

Adam

I'll EXPOSE my ignorance here, anyway. I was not aware that Justin and Josephus even lived in the same area, much less that Justin saw Josephus frequently at work writing his books and lecturing from them.

aa5874

You MUST first do research or else you may appear comical.

Now tell me of the authors of the Gospels that were SEEN in any area of the world in the 1st century before c 70 CE.

Toto

William O. Williams thinks that most were in their present form around the end of the second century. I am waiting for Robert Price's book on Paul the Colossal Apostle.

It's not clear what your purpose is in these labels.

Adam

Is my face RED!
I was joking about Justin Martyr having lived with Josephus, but judging by your response it is true! Who would have believed it. It seemed to me like such a safe one-in-a-million bet! Just shows we should never assume anything.

Before 70 CE (62) Simon became Bishop of Jerusalem (at the death of his brother James), and I say he was the author of Proto-Luke (contributing most of what's called L). I say the Johannine discourses were written by Nicodemus, and the Jewish Encyclopedia and many Biblical historians have theorized that he is identical to Nicodemus ben Gurion, mentioned in the Talmud as a wealthy and popular holy man reputed to have had miraculous powers. (Wikipedia) My other five named eyewitnesses who wrote about Jesus are not usually doubted except by mythicists: Matthew, Peter, John Mark, Andrew, and John.
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