breathilizer

Every time you see someone (not necessarily a theist) say "You can't prove God doesn't exist," I want you to give them a link to this thread so that they may post an apology for demanding something so illogical.

Example #1:

"I'm sorry for demanding evidence for God's non-existence"

Example #2:

"I'm sorry for demanding evidence for evolution's non-existence"

As silly as this thread may seem, I believe that over time, thei--- err--- people will break their bad habit of demanding proof of a negative.

sharon45

I did prove a negative and I am yet to ever see an answer as to why I am wrong.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...92#post1520292

The Evil One

The OP switches between "evidence" and "proof". Be careful. Too few people comprehend the difference as it is.

Furyus George

Lets look at just a portion of what you wrote, 45:

There is at least one obsolute about the christian god within the whole of christianity and christian belief, that god is either perfect or imperfect. Most christians especially the fundamentalists would say that god is no matter what, completely perfect in every way. Yet, there are still very many christians that believe that god is not perfect, in fact, they don't really care of whether he is perfect or not in numerous cases. I have a friend who is catholic and she believes that god doesn't know everything, not exactly a perfect god shown there. Now the christian god can't be both perfect and imperfect at the same time and he can't get away with being perfect in some cases while being imperfect in other cases and still remain constant in this field, so in this example, the christian god can't possible exist.


So you contend that some Christians believe God is perfect, and some Christians believe God is not perfect. Super.

Unfortunately, this proves absolutely nothing about the nature of God.

Furyus George, hoo boy

sharon45

I did not say just "god", I said the "christian god". I already know I can't prove against the existence of a god, but I did prove against the christian version of a god.Yet one more pretense.

Furyus George

OK, let me restate: you contend that the fact that some Christians believe God is perfect and the fact that some Christians believe God is imperfect, proves the Christian God does not exist.

All you've proven, 45, in an extremely limited sense, is that Christians don't agree on the nature of God. You have proven zip about the nature or existense of the Christian God.

I wish an atheist with some intellectual honesty and some stones would back me up, but I won't hold my breath.

Furyus George, prefers ostentatious, 45

breathilizer

Eek. Sorry. you get the idea though, and it really works either way. I read demands for both proof and evidence, even though it isn't necessary

Norseman

Sharon, what you've proven is that christians don't believe the exact same thing (hence the thousands of denominations). If god does exist and is perfect, then the fundies are right, if not, then the other christians are right. They don't both have to be right because they are not both believing in the same thing. If someone were to simultaneously believe that god were both perfect and imperfect then it would proove that they were a wacko and that their particular belief was false. As this is not the case, the proof is irrelevant in determing the validity of modern christian beliefs.

AJ113

As has already been shown recently, you can prove a negative quite easily.

Assertion:
There is no chair at my kitchen table.

AJ goes to check kitchen table

Assertion proven.

breathilizer

Possible, but not necessary