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Old 08-20-2012, 02:34 AM   #11
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So you have determined what is permissible discussion that is on the charts and politically correct. That sounds like good "church" doctrine. However a substantive discussion, even if it is heretical against academic doctrine, should be explored. But I guess you consider that problematic.
Maybe you can rethink your doctrine.
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Hi TedM,

John circa140, (first commentary by gnostics around this time)
Mark circa160, (still unknown by Celsus, 170-180)
Matthew circa180, (Revision of Mark after some time)
Luke, July-August 206. (Putting it all together, unknown by Tertullian until his works post late 206 and 207)
Rewrites 206-20012.

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The gospel authors are all unknown

written to a roman audience, by romans who followed judaism, but were not jews



your coming into all this blind, you may want to research a bit first

90% illiteracy rate of people then

oral tradition

judaism

the roman culture

the culture in Galilee first century
I know about all that, but thanks. Few scholars think Mark was written as late as 120AD, but it seems many folks here do. I am curious what their timeline is on the others that followed--how much time do they think it took for at least 3 others to add in some more made up stuff after Mark.
Thanks Jay. You understood where I was coming from. I guess I had not been clear enough. There are those that believe GMark was a work of fiction by a clever writer, who historicized a divine-only Jesus. That Jesus had not been considered historical at all prior to Mark's writing. My question addresses the implications of that theory for the other gospels as to their timelines.
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So Adam, why don't you then address the question as to why the authors of the gospels chose to structure their stories to resemble biblical stories if not to make the gospels as a set of books equivalent in importance to the Old Testament as a canon?

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So you have determined what is permissible discussion that is on the charts and politically correct. That sounds like good "church" doctrine. However a substantive discussion, even if it is heretical against academic doctrine, should be explored. But I guess you consider that problematic.
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I know about all that, but thanks. Few scholars think Mark was written as late as 120AD, but it seems many folks here do. I am curious what their timeline is on the others that followed--how much time do they think it took for at least 3 others to add in some more made up stuff after Mark.
YOU KNOW ALL THAT? BUT OH IS MOSTLY WRONG! I gave up listening to him long ago. He keeps on throwing the same stuff at us and never learns anything from us, so why bother trying to educate him?

Not that you should ignore him as much as aa, Mountainman, duvduv, and Shesh.

your the one way out there dude

atleast my work follows most of mainstream scholarships, i think I personally just place jesus as less of a Essene and more a zealot
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Adam, do you work for some kind of online censorship police to instruct people who to interact with? ?

he is just tired of being ignored and put down all the time
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The gospel authors are all unknown

written to a roman audience, by romans who followed judaism, but were not jews



your coming into all this blind, you may want to research a bit first

90% illiteracy rate of people then

oral tradition

judaism

the roman culture

the culture in Galilee first century
I know about all that, but thanks. Few scholars think Mark was written as late as 120AD, but it seems many folks here do. I am curious what their timeline is on the others that followed--how much time do they think it took for at least 3 others to add in some more made up stuff after Mark.
a couple decades ish anyway, Gjohn more as by that time the seperation from judaism was growing steadily
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