Bright Life

Um, Kaley...Are you getting anything from this?

openeyes

Um, you do realize that my two lovely children are atheist as I am. They are being kept from Satan, since they are being kept from "God" also.

Although I think I'm doing more right things than wrong, I'm sure I've impressed a few negative images upon them. My ex stepson just visited and he was teasing me about the daily "job lists" than he and his sister had. Apparently they thought I was being excessive and wanted to be sure I made my kids do stuff too. Ha, wait 'til his new baby shows up and grows up. We'll see how he decides to parent.

lpetrich

I have no idea what you mean by that, kaleidescope.

And why 12 of them and not some other number? I think I know the reason why, but that reason suggests that that particular number has some less-than-cosmic significance.

kaleidescope

i considered you piscean because you question what is generally said about pisceans and because of the differences you find between you and your brother. i'm quite versed in being piscean, my sister is piscean, my ex is and my brother-in-law is also. as i have said, the sun is not the only influence. in order to check on you further, you will need to provide me with date, place and if known, time of birth.

kaleidescope

Ipetrich,
I think I no the reason why......give it up.

kaleidescope

All this is, is a mission to safeguard children no matter what you believe.

Heurismus

:notworthy

Giving up? Or wait for the asteroid shower to stop?

Seriously you must approach this in a more forensic manner. There have been many good and valid points. Extract these and pursue them scientifically not emotionally. Just because I may want something to be true it doesn't mean that it is. Invariably what we want we never get. Which is why 90% of the world is mad.

MrFrosty

I can't even remember what I originally posted in this thread.

Queen of Swords

And no other sun sign is associated with the characteristic of questioning? I also don't recall Linda Goodman saying the Pisceans were at all skeptical. In fact, she paints them as gullible to a fault.

I still don't see how these differences translate to Piscean. Frankly, I think you're grasping at straws here, and further "evidence" will be : I considered you piscean because you call yourself queen of swords and that sounded piscean, not the queen part or the swords part, but the "of".

To check what? I issued my challenge on this thread, it was not picked up, my sun sign was revealed by someone else, and it's over. What more do you need to check?

lpetrich

I'm not sure what you think the reason is, so I'll say what I think the reason is:

It's the division of the year into 12 months.

A month is, of course, derived from the orbit period of the Moon relative to the Sun -- about 12.36827 per year. And NOT exactly 12, as one might expect from some esthetically-minded Universe-designer.

This ugly ratio has been handled in these ways:

* Lunisolar calendar. The months track the Moon's orbit, but an extra month is added every few years in order to keep the months from drifting in the year. Seven extra months added over each 19 years will produce a nice fit, with one month having to be subtracted every 6600 years or so.

Ancient Mesopotamians had devised this system, which is still in use in the Jewish calendar.

* Pure lunar calendar without extra months. The Islamic religious calendar uses this scheme, meaning that Ramadan drifts through the year as the years go by.

* Pure solar calendar with "months" that do not quite track the Moon's orbit. This scheme was devised by ancient Egyptians, and a version of this scheme was adopted by Roman emperor Julius Caesar. Our present calendar is his calendar with a few tweaks here and there.

The solution used in the Zodiac is a version of the third solution.

Different people have seen different patterns in the sky. One can see that in our canonical constellations, where the northern and equatorial constellations mainly come from Greek mythology, while the southern ones mainly come from 18th-century techno-geekery.

Consider the Chinese Zodiac, which also has 12 signs, most likely for the same reason as ours. None of its signs matches our Zodiac's signs.

It's the origin of the Chinese years of various animals. For example, I was born in a Year of the Rat.

Edited to add:

Both Western astrology and Chinese astrology include their traditional elements:

Western:
Earth
Water
Air
Fire

Chinese:
Earth
Wood
Metal
Water
Fire

The Western Zodiac signs have their own elements:
Fire - Aries, Leo, Sagittarius
Earth - Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn
Air - Gemini, Libra, Aquarius
Water - Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces
which form a recurring cycle with some misfits. Though crabs and fish live in water, scorpions don't, and they have a painful sting. Meaning that Scorpio ought to be a fire sign.

BTW, the disease gets its name from the crustacean because blood vessels from a tumor make it look vaguely like a crab.

The Chinese Zodiac, however, has an separate element cycle:
Metal
Water
Wood
Fire
Earth
with each element having two years, making the cycle repeat over ten years. Thus, I was born in a Metal-Rat year.

For more, check out this article on Chinese astrology.

If you've managed to get this far, my take-home message is that different astrologers have come to drastically different conclusions.