Half-Life

How do you explain this one, no vague words here:

Luke 21:24
They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

He's basically saying Jerusalem will be destroyed, right?

Well.....

2. Jesus said Jerusalem would be destroyed
Bible passage: Luke 21:24
Recorded: about 30 AD
Fulfilled: 70 AD
In Luke 21:24, Jesus said that the Jews soon would be forced out of Jerusalem and that the city would be destroyed. He said Jerusalem would be trampled upon by the "Gentiles" (non-Jews), and that the Jews would be scattered to all nations. And, that's exactly what happened. The Romans destroyed Jerusalem in the year 70, and again in the year 135. During the two destructions, the Romans killed an estimated 1.5 million Jews. Hundreds of thousands of Jews were taken as slaves to other countries, mostly throughout Europe and parts of Asia. During the next several centuries, Jews had established communities on every inhabited continent: Asia, Africa, Australia, Europe, North America and South America. http://www.100prophecies.org/page5.htm

crispy

Ive made some responses to another thread. Basicly the prophecy is self-fulfilling, alot of people believe in a book which says so and so, and also believe this book to be absolute truth, so I'd be rather surprised NEVER to see them reclaim 'their' land...

You can read the other thread here: http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=236067

Check out some of the responses :>

Jack the Bodiless

The very same pharaoh that Nebuchadrezzar was supposed to defeat, Amasis II, later gained Cyprus.

And, long after that, the Egyptian Mameluke Empire controlled much of the Middle East: including Israel from 1270 to 1516 AD.

Jack the Bodiless

Nope.

Written after 70 AD.

crispy

Just on a side note: you argue that the bible is true because of prophecies being fulfilled right? Well the theory of evolution have prophesied genefusion between two chromosomes (along with a hell of a lot of other things). I guess that makes evolution true also?

Half-Life

How do you know this?

Are all the prophecies written after the date?

or just ones that are too hard for you to refute?

crispy

Another question: Do you argue that evolution is not true because there are 'missing links'?

Craigart14

Many of the people of Judah returned to Israel in the 1940s. There were two separate kingdoms, Israel in the north and Judah in the south. Ten of the twelve tribes were in Israel. They were scattered by the Assyrians and became known as the lost tribes of Israel. Guess what? They're still lost.

Craig

Craigart14

How do we know this? Archaeology. Textual studies. Linguistics. Extra-biblical writings. Literary analysis. Geology. Biblical contradictions. Biblical mistakes. Common sense.

Craig

Half-Life

OK, fine. how about these three?

8. The Messiah would enter Jerusalem while riding on a donkey
Bible passage: Zechariah 9:9
Written: between 520 and 518 BC
Fulfilled: About 32 AD
In Zechariah 9:9, the prophet speaks of a future king presenting himself to Jerusalem while riding on a humble donkey. This foreshadowed something that happened about 500 years later: As explained in Luke 19:35-37, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and presented Himself as the Messiah, the King.
Alfred Edersheim, a Christian Jew who lived during the 1800s, studied ancient Rabbinical writings, and said that Zechariah 9:9 was often interpreted as being about a Messiah. In the book, "The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah," Edersheim wrote: "The Messianic application of this verse in all its parts has already been repeatedly indicated. We may here add that there are many traditions about this donkey on which the Messiah is to ride; and so firm was the belief in it, that, according to the Talmud, `if anyone saw a donkey in his dreams, he will see salvation' (Ber 56 b)."

The name "Jesus," means "salvation" in Hebrew.
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Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.





9. Jesus was betrayed by a friend
Bible passage: Psalm 41:9
Written: about 1000 BC
Fulfilled: About 32 AD
In Psalm 41:9, King David wrote a prayer asking for mercy in his last days. In this prayer, which Jews and Christians believe was inspired by God, David wrote about a betrayal at the hand of a close friend with whom he had shared bread. This foreshadowed something that happened years later with Jesus. As explained in Matthew 26:47-50, Jesus was betrayed by Judas, one of the 12 apostles, shortly after Jesus and the apostles had shared bread during the Last Supper. Jesus was crucified by the Romans a short time later.
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Psalm 41:9
Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me.




10. Zechariah foreshadowed the betrayal of Jesus for 30 pieces of silver
Bible passage: Zechariah 11:12-13
Written: between 520 and 518 BC
Fulfilled: About 32 AD
In Zechariah 11:12-13, the prophet spoke of a person being paid 30 pieces of silver to betray someone. This foreshadowed something that happened to Jesus about 500 years later. As explained in Matthew 26:15, Judas was paid 30 silver coins for his betrayal of Jesus. Judas told the Romans when and where they could arrest Jesus without being surrounded by a large crowd of Jesus' followers. But, as explained in Matthew 27:5-7, Judas later tossed the money into the Temple (the house of the Lord) and the money was used to buy a potter's field as a burial place for foreigners.
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Zechariah 11:12-13
I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said to me, "Throw it to the potter"--the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord to the potter.




Nothing vague about these. how are you going to twist these around? it states "He will ride in on a donkey." Jesus did EXACTLY this.

How you gonna twist it?