J-D

Yes, there is. I question it. If you have anything to back this up, now is your chance.

IamJoseph

Take the book ascribed to Moses, and those ascribed to other figures. You get a massive list on ne side and zero in the other: I can't think of anything in the Gospels which applies - correct me if you can. Aside from the Middle-east region, I would nominate Buddha as also contributing to humanity.

J-D

A massive list of what?Applies how and to what?Contributing what?

I honestly don't know what you're talking about, and I have to suspect that you don't either.

IamJoseph

Get real. All laws which the world accepts are contained in the five Mosaic books - not one comes from the NT. Laws of the judiciary, family, animal rights, women's rights, liberty, inalienable human rights, superannuation, copyright, retirment, compensation, environmental laws, etc, etc - are exclusively contained only in the Hebrew bible.

Medicine and science, and its break from occultism, also comes from the Mosaic bible. So does Monotheism, Creationism, Democrasy [no - its not Greek!], Evolution [not a Darwinism], Historical writings and the first alphabetical books also come from here. Large chunks of ancient history is known only because of the Hebrew bible - no one else recorded the history of Abraham and his lineage, a host of nations and the middle-east wars and terrains as does the Hebrew. The first king is recorded here. So does Grammar come fro the Hebrew.

However, I would like to know what comes from the Gospels, and - with no disrespect, what laws or premises were given for humanity and ascribed to this writings?

J-D

Well, now you've made clear what you're talking about. But you're wrong on every single point.Don't ask me.

IamJoseph

Christianity and Islam, while hell bent on negating the Hebrew bible and deeming themselves transcendent, inclulcated false premises and teachings of the Hebrew. I can post pages of text evidencing the first separation of the occultism and medicine - not in the Greek or Roman -but in the pre-dating Hebrew bible, and it should already have been known to those who boldly deny it and point all fingers at the Hebrew. Every single point I made is evdential - does that mean it must be automatically denied as a bad thing - why?


How come - when so much Hebrew bashing goes on? Many terrible things also resulted from the Gospels - millions of innocent souls were destroyed, and this is now performed on stealth mode, and this will continue. When a religion is sustained on the villification of another as its only claim to fame - it ceases to have anything to do with a true religion, and its adherants are quagmired.

This was Christianity's early doctrine when the Jews wanted to remain as Jews:

'BETTER TO DESTROY THEIR BODIES AND SAVE THEIR SOULS' - Isabela, with her rampage of mass murder of those who dared not to convert. The church saw fit to beatify her.

I say, any scripture, bar none, which engages in spreading hate and death - should be deemed as a crime against humanity and God today. Christianity does this with the weapon of 'belief' - with no proof whatsoever - that is why you say DON'T ASK ME - while denying what is based on fact and not belief. The first ethical commandment is about honesty - and there is no belief in its absence. I say this not for the benefit of Jews but Christians. My research showed not a single gospel claim against the Jews has any veracity - even when the facade of belief is the criteria - I found almost every charge antithetical.

semiopen

The Rebbe was deemed to be the Messiah by some at Chabad because Maimonides writes that the actual manifestation of the Messiah is not clear.

To postulate that someone, in this day and age, where the line of David (for example) is wiped out can lay claim to this title is dangerous, I am an unable to imagine how this could end up positively. Personally, and there is some support for this position among other Jews, I think the whole Messianic concept should be discarded.

There is still a minority at Chabad who still maintain the Rebbe was the Messiah. I suspect this includes a Rabbi we are both acquainted with.

bacht

Joseph, do you think that if there had been no New Testament the Romanized people of the Mediterranean and Europe would have been more peaceful? I don't understand this argument. Violence and greed come from us; if some book happens to provide a convenient excuse I don't see how this removes the basic source of the evil, which is human nature.

There are lots of scriptures that provide support for "good" behaviour, yet they don't seem to affect as many people :huh:

J-D

It is a bad thing for you to keep telling us that you have evidence for the things you are saying and never to produce the single tiniest scrap for it. You never have. Not one scintilla.But I have not been doing any Hebrew-bashing.But I have no responsibility for any of them.I am not a Christian. I have never been a Christian. That is why I said 'Don't ask me'.From the fact that I deny the validity of the unsubstantiated claims you have been making, it does not follow that I endorse the Gospels, or any claims based on them. I don't.

IamJoseph

Incorrect. Only a potential candidate was postulated here, as was also the case in Judea with Rome of five other candidates. In all cases, there was no Messianic criteria fullfilled, and this was then acknowledged as such. In contrast, the Gospel Messiah fullfilled not any of the criteria, and none of the Europeans who became as Christians demanded proof or cared about it, while it is also true they were enforced to accept it. The church continued Rome's heresy doctrine, extending and enlarging it, and is most responsible for the deaths of millions.


The prospect for a Messiah is legitimate for all humanity, including atheists and scientists: we are in a situation where we do not know why we are here, where we come from and were we will go - even if there is a place to go to or how this universe emerged. The purpose of a Messiah is to disclose the WHY factor, as opposed the HOW - the latter being a science/mechanical premise and will not satisfy. The Messiah is supposed to manifest the purpose of creation - without hiding behind any after life scenarios - the definitive mark of a fake. The revelation must be in this physical reality, in open and direct form, with all humanity and nations witnessing this simultainiously. The example comes from the revelation at Sinai - which was open and direct.