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aa5874's 8 questions on the Historical Jesus split from A QUESTION...
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Who was the mother of HJ? Who was the father of HJ? When was HJ born? What was HJ real name? Did HJ really meet John the Baptist? Was HJ baptized by John the Baptist? Was HJ in a wilderness for forty days? What country did HJ actuallly live in? I am not asking you to guess. And remember the Jesus of the NT was the son of the God of the Jews born of the Holy Ghost as witnessed by Mary. The Jesus of the NT was NOT HJ, unless all the characters in the NT gave erroneous information. The simplest explanation is that the Jesus story was fiction believed to be true. Very simple. This simple explanation solves all your problems. Mormonism started without a physical human /God, or Jesus, but by revelations, now today there are millions of believers. |
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2. Joseph (probably) 3. While Herod the Great was still alive 4. Some form of Joshua 5. Yes 6. Yes 7. Who knows? The number "40" should probably clue us in to a "preaching story," rather than a literal one. 8. Galilee 9. No. I refuse to accept your parsing of the Jesus of the NT, because there is a HJ under the JC. 10. "Erroneous" can be a loaded term. In the mouth of a "radical skeptic," it usually carries the baggage of Fundamentalist literalism, meaning that if there is a single "erroneous" jot or tittle, all the texts can be disregarded as completely meaningless, of no value in any study whatsoever. Eric Hoffer's concept of the "True Believer" finds examples galore in this particular arena. [Numbering added to aa5874's quote, for clarity of reference.] |
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2. You have no basis to say Joseph was probably the father of HJ. The correct answer is you don't know. You answer was mis-leading. You get ZERO. 3.Again, you get ZERO. It is not even certain when the offspring of the Holy Ghost was born. You just guessed again. 4. The name of the offspring of the Holy Ghost was Jesus. The HJ could have any first name . It could have been Simon. ZERO for guessing. 5. It is the offspring of the Holy Ghost who met John the Baptist, please read your NT. ZERO for you. Stop guessing. 6. Same as #5. The offspring was baptized. Another guess, another ZERO. 7. Again, read your NT, it was the offspring of the Holy Ghost who was in the wilderness for forty days with the devil on a high moutain or on the pinnacle of the temple, and being tempted to turn stone to bread. ZERO, ZERO, ZERO. 8. In the NT, it was the offspring of the Holy Ghost who was living in Galilee. ZERO, again. You have a grand total of ZERO. You are a confirmed FUNDAMENTALIST. Your HJ appear to be identical to the Jesus of the NT; same mother, unknown father, same first name, lived the same place, was in the wilderness, met and was baptized by John the Baptist. Your believe the NT is fundamentally true. |
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Assuming HJ to have existed, all we can say about him is this:
Who was the mother of HJ? - Unknown Who was the father of HJ? - Unknown When was HJ born? - Unknown What was HJ real name? - Unknown Did HJ really meet John the Baptist? - Unlikely Was HJ baptized by John the Baptist? - Even more unlikely Was HJ in a wilderness for forty days? - Possibly, but it would have been a coincidence (hey, people get lost, you know?) What country did HJ actuallly live in? - Egypt |
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Fantastic. You get 87.5%. You can get 100% if you can explain why you answered Egypt for the last question. |
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No proof. Just a gut feeling. Egypt is where monotheism started, IMO. Egypt is where the Jews "came out of" (but could they have been there all along?) Egypt had a son of god/christ cult with Osiris. Egypt is where the Savior was supposed to come out of. Egypt is where all the really cool NT texts come from (GThomas). If the story of Jesus originated there, it's understandable how the authors got so much of the geography of Israel wrong.
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Jesus the Son of Ananus was beaten to a pulp on numerous occasions and declared to be a madman just for saying "Woe unto Jerusalem". See Wars of the Jews 6.5. Jesus of the NT was not even incarcerated, beaten, or stoned once before his trial, yet he constantly called the Pharisees, Scribes, and Saducees, Vipers and Devils. The Jesus of the NT could only be a God, no man could do those things without being beaten to a pulp. |
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HJERS and FUNDIES hold a COMMON belief that Jesus lived during the time of Pilate. Both FUNDIES AND HJERS beliefs are IDENTICAL at times. |
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