Chaupoline

I actually had some respect for you until your last post. I thought you were going to provide me relevant information that would disprove my claims.

Ad Hominem. My parents never paid for my tuition, and I didn't take philosophy my sophomore year.

Ad Hominem.

Scare Tactics.

I actually find this one funny, but this also is an Ad Hominem.

Look Whos Talking (Tu Quoque). My facts were from abstract terms. Anything based upon perception is not a fact.

Red Herring.

Absolute Truth is reality. You must first have faith that your perceptions are accurate, but realize that there is a possibility that they may not be. Using our possibly faulty senses we gather information about the universe in an attempt to try to understand more about Absolute Truth.

Absolute Truth is a quest and not a prize. Again, we will never know Absolute Truth. Is this plausible enough now?

austin2

can we know absolute anything?

how does one know 'it' is 'absolute'? maybe there is just a little bit more 'absolute' out there?

seems like a pointless discussion and search.

(maybe you have too much free time)

Chili

True, and I would argue that this quest comes to rest in our perception that beauty is the continuity of truth with knowledge being mere extractions of Truth.

Biff the unclean

First of all you need to learn what an Ad hom is. It’s the fallacy of declaring a persons arguments to be wrong because the person themselves is bad.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you ever took a philosophy course at all.
Because if you had you should have learned that a philosophy that states that it is a fact that there are no facts is self contradictory and as such is intrinsically flawed. The problem you are facing is that philosophy itself is an inappropriate tool to be using to find the answers you are seeking, much like trying to tell the temperature by using a barometer.


Not at all. Just because you don’t like the responses does not make them ad homs. “The second belief that many of us learn around the age of two is that the world exists outside of our perceptions of it� was the claim you are making. Santa, God and the Easter Bunny are all beliefs outside our perceptions that are instilled in children at that tender age

Not at all. If you actually believed your own argument that human senses do not accurately perceive reality and so should be discounted then the reality of a baseball bat swung at your noggin shouldn’t scare you at all. You should simply discount it.
Since you don’t, your contention collapses

You really need to look terms up before you make such a habit of using them.


That’s an interesting claim, crediting facts from the abstract while dismissing the concrete. It also ignores the fact that you perceive the abstract terms.

When you look up Ad Hom look up red herring too as you apparently don’t know what it means either.

No, it’s baseless assumptions. Self admittedly baseless assumptions. And it would appear to purposely confuse the limitation of not being able to know everything with not being able to know anything.
Now stand still while I get a bead on the back of your head. Remember your senses are faulty so no ducking while we put your philosophy to the test.

Chaupoline

That is why I said that Absolute Truth is a quest and not a prize. We can never know Absolute Truth. That being said I don't believe that it is "intellectually honest" to state that our knowledge is the Absolute Truth or play it off as being the Absolute Truth. It is incorrect to say, "this tree is 3500 years old." It is better to say that "I have a good idea that this tree is 3500 years old." Considering that no one can really know anything, we acknowledge that there may be some degree of error and that we would acknowledge that there might be an alternative based on better information.

When I stated that I believe in Absolute Truth, I am making the above claim. I believe that the search for Absolute Truth is the search for the devine. We want to know more about God and that is why we study God's creation. Whether you believe in God or not, you want to better understand the universe.

I don't know why Abraham was chosen by God. I think that it may be because he was willing to believe in God. He acknowledged the third faith, that the world that I percieve apart from my perceptions was created by an intelligent being.

Biff the unclean

Ah there we go. The meaningless term “Absolute Truth� is the Christian buzz-word I was saying it is. We study reality because we wish to know that which is real. There is nothing to indicate that a God of any sort exists much less a God who creates things.


Reading the story of Abraham we clearly see the story of a person with a psychotic condition. His “third faith� are clearly delusions that are all too common in certain types of mental illness.

Why is it that a whole sub group of Christians feel that they can attack ordinary perceptions of reality attempting to show that reality itself is invalid so that they can sneak in a fantasy and put it on a par with reality? How stupid do they think people are?

austin2

this may be a little off topic here, but I think one of the reasons that the Torah is so esteemed by so many is that

the whole purpose of this Torah, is that

so different from Christianity, where the purpose is to ensure the 'soul' goes to heaven

and different from Islam, where the purpose is te unending struggle to make islam supreme in the world

as Jaques Maritan said, (Education at the Crossroads....don't know the page)

Jews are created in the image of G-d and have free will

Christians are sinners born

muslims are slaves of allh

jonesg

He wasn't chosen and wasn't special, he just happened to be the first to listen and hear.

God still speaks, many chose to listen to the noise instead in their heads.

Anything which speaks of seperation cannot be of God.

jonesg

hehehe

jonesg

Does Israel exist today ?
Does Judaism exist, is it a successful belief system ?