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Old 08-10-2009, 01:27 PM   #21
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Well I can't disprove your theory, but I don't see much evidence for it. In Romans Paul says more than once that Jews and gentiles are equal in the eyes of God. Where exactly does Paul express interest in the property rights of non-Christian Jews? His focus is supposedly the Parousia, the coming of the Christ and the new age, when ordinary social rules won't apply anymore. The promise of eternal life is offered to Jews and gentiles alike.

Paul didn't spend much time in Judea according to the texts. He seems to have visited mainly diaspora synagogues in his travels, probably preaching to gentile proselytes (Godfearers). Jewish property law wouldn't be relevant to these territories, they were in gentile hands.

If Paul was working for Jewish interests he seems to have failed completely. There's no notice of him in the Mishnah, where one might expect a review of his efforts if they were pro-Israel.

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Well, in Acts Paul claims to be a Roman citizen but I don't recall this being mentioned in his letters, which are usually considered to be earlier compositions (at least the kernel of them). Are you saying that he was of high enough status to influence imperial policy towards the Jews? His whole ministry was directed at gentiles, in fact he got in trouble for this with the Jerusalem crowd. Virtually all his dealings with Jews were negative in the Acts stories, and in his letters he mentions beatings etc. If any of this is true it seems the Jews didn't want his help. In the apocrypha Paul is even portrayed as an agent of the devil in the eyes of the Jews.

Paul may have earned high enough status among his fellow Pharisee priests being educated with that sect and being a Roman citizen also, and could have been seen by Roman officials as a very beneficial fellow to them.

This is speculation on Paul's being a double agent. I can imagine that he was, partly due to his "Israel [Jew] first" policy and his knowing his laws and tradition. For Paul to claim himself being an educated Pharisee, "a Pharisee of the Pharisees" and not know the Jewish laws and tradition that could not accept any man not circumcised and unwilling to observe the laws of Moses, is stranger than fiction. For Paul to seek a means of protecting Jerusalem and his brethren Jews by giving Gentiles hope in a sky kingdom but not inheritance with the Jews in land rights seems a perfect conspiracy, imo, at the moment - because I may speculate a little differently later on.

But ask yourself, in those days, why would a Jewish Pharisee travel throughout the Roman Empire teaching a gospel of hope to Gentiles when his Jewish laws and tradition strictly prohibited uncircumcised and lawless people from inheritance rights equal to Jews? The "promised land" was given to Jews. Nothing was given to Gentiles. But to detour the Gentiles away from Jewish rights in land, to erect a wall of defense against the Gentiles, Paul gives the Gentiles a heavenly home to satisfy their desire for a place to call their own. They would have a place in the world to come as Paul directed their attention skyward. Would Paul's gospel then be of benefit to Rome also?

And why didn't Jewish leaders see Paul's gospel as a barrier of protection for their Jewish tradition and land rights? Maybe some did. Keeping the Gentiles busy looking skyward for their heavenly reward as their inheritance, while the Jews continued doing their Jewish thing maintaining their land and worship practices seems like a pretty good conspiracy plot for building a fence around Jerusalem [Jews, Judaism] to me.
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We should remember that Paul was also cast as an agent of Aesop by the unknown author of "The Acts of Paul [and Thecla]". What is as yet entirely unlcear to the world is the relationship of the author of "The Acts of Paul and Thecla" to the unknown author of the fourteen letters of "Paul". Eusebius and his continuators purport that this person "Paul" was the author of the fourteen letters however modern scholarship rejects this possibility.
We should also remember that as documented elsewhere in these forums that Paul was absolutely aware of the gospels. What isn't widely known is that Paul was also a "double agent" and in fact a creation of the Roman Senate to counter the gospels as written according to the Hindu Prank Postulate. The Roman Senate, realizing that the gospel message was an ideological trojan horse implemented to infiltrate the Roman Empire countered this by "inventing" the Apostle Paul. There were in fact at least 6-8 individuals who impersonated the Apostle Paul in attempt to deconstruct the gospel. What the Roman Senators didn't anticipate was that a wildcard would enter into their plans, namely, Marcion. Marcion took the writings by the various Roman Senators attributed to Paul and redacted these along with the gospels. Marcion then developed a new theology of Jesus which took over the Roman Empire by storm. A few centuries later the Roman Empire had no choice but to adopt Christianity as their State Religion and reject paganism.
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