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Old 01-25-2009, 02:22 PM   #91
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The Jesus story, the offspring of the Holy Ghost story, could have only been a story, written probably at the end of the 1st century after the writings of Josephus and believed to be true.
Why "only"? Couldn't it have been an exaggerated story based on a historical figure? If not, why?

That's your job, man. You have some explaining to do.
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Why "only"? Couldn't it have been an exaggerated story based on a historical figure? If not, why?

That's your job, man. You have some explaining to do.
I can't explain to you how, why or what you think. Why do you think that there is only one explanation for how the Christ story started and that it can't have a historical core?
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That's your job, man. You have some explaining to do.
I can't explain to you how, why or what you think. Why do you think that there is only one explanation for how the Christ story started and that it can't have a historical core?
You must explain you suicide man. Get started.

I told what I SAW in the NT and the church writings. I SAW a myth called the offspring of the Holy Ghost that ascended through the clouds.

See Matthew1.18 and Acts 1.9.

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I can't explain to you how, why or what you think. Why do you think that there is only one explanation for how the Christ story started and that it can't have a historical core?
You must explain you suicide man. Get started.

I told what I SAW in the NT and the church writings. I SAW a myth called the offspring of the Holy Ghost that ascended through the clouds.

See Matthew1.18 and Acts 1.9.

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You're on ignore Elijah.

There are some decent posts here worth interacting with, but yours are not among them.

The hypocrisy is somewhat amusing with the incessant demands out of everyone that you refuse to do yourself.

But really, cleaning the cabin is a higher priority.
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You must explain you suicide man. Get started.

I told what I SAW in the NT and the church writings. I SAW a myth called the offspring of the Holy Ghost that ascended through the clouds.

See Matthew1.18 and Acts 1.9.

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Why do you think that there is only one explanation for how the Christ story started and that it can't have a historical core?

Did not I show you where Marcion and his followers laughed at one explanation.

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And, as we said before, the devils put forward Marcion of Pontus, who is even now teaching men to deny that God is the maker of all things in heaven and on earth, and that the Christ predicted by the prophets is His Son, and preaches another god besides the Creator of all, and likewise another son. And this man many have believed, as if he alone knew the truth, and laugh at us,......
Some explanations are laughable.
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Some explanations are laughable.
So you can't present any reason that there couldn't be a historical core? You can't present any theory which explains where the Jesus myth came from or how it was confused for history? Yet you still think the mythical position is rational? How is that possible?
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Some explanations are laughable.
So you can't present any reason that there couldn't be a historical core? You can't present any theory which explains where the Jesus myth came from or how it was confused for history? Yet you still think the mythical position is rational? How is that possible?
I told you already that is your job.

If you believe suicidal man had an historical core, then produce your evidence.

Can you present any evidence where suicidal man came from and how he exited the earth? Was his body eaten by dogs and scavenger birds? Can you explain how suicidal man was confused for a God?
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I told you already that is your job.
It's my job to explain what you believe? OK then. You're a liberal Christian who believes in a historical core.

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If you believe suicidal man had an historical core, then produce your evidence.
My evidence is that there is no viable alternative theory.

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Can you present any evidence where suicidal man came from and how he exited the earth? Was his body eaten by dogs and scavenger birds? Can you explain how suicidal man was confused for a God?
You know the evidence that is out there of him. How a suicide man gets confused for a God is because throughout time there are people who are unfamiliar with religious concepts interpreting him.

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So you can't present any reason that there couldn't be a historical core? You can't present any theory which explains where the Jesus myth came from or how it was confused for history? Yet you still think the mythical position is rational? How is that possible?
What reason to do you have to believe in a mythical core if you have no reason to believe there wasn't a historical core and no theory to support a mythical origin?
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You know the evidence that is out there of him. How a suicide man gets confused for a God is because throughout time there are people who are unfamiliar with religious concepts interpreting him.
So, explain why the letter writer called Paul got his butt beaten, stoned, jailed and was crucified, according to Eusebius, and no-one was confused and called the letter writer a God after he died?

The letter writer called Paul got his butt beaten, stoned and jailed, according to the NT, from somewhere between the period of his fictitious conversion to his crucifixion, around 30 years, yet he was not asked to forgive the sins of the Jews and he was not worshipped as a God after he died.

The church called the letter writer a Saint after thirty years of brutality by the Jews, yet you want me believe that they confused suicide man for a God when there are no evidence that he was once beaten, never jailed, and never stoned.

Why was suicide man not called a Saint when the letter writer called Paul suffered more than suicide man?
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