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winstonjen · 09-25-2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by QueenofSwords
No one knows what we will do, but it won't be nothing but worship.

First part of sentence contradicts second part.

Not only that, but he uses the same grammar used in the Bible!

orpheus last chant · 09-25-2003, 03:15 AM

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We will have perfect, incorruptible bodies like Jesus' body after ressurection. Jesus' body looked just like it did before He died, so ours probably will too, although we won't have any imperfections ( like missing limbs).

You mean I'll be a jewish circumcised male in his mid thirties? Some say that he had long hair and a beard and deep bue eyes?

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Yes we are clothed, in robes of pure white.

You know that sounds soo suspect. We humans have this funny thing, we associate colours wih feelings and abstract concepts. White is pure, black is evil, red in anger etc. You do know that colours don't really have these qualities. But the chirstian god seems to think so. Why necessarily white? I'm sure if one of the major religious sistems came from people of diffrent colour, things would look much more diffrent (as in some african religions, black is good, and white is evil - the colour if devils).

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The details aren't important - knowing we will be with God is. God made a bigger deal about Hell because He doesn't want anyone to go there.

Nonsense. If you insist into taking revelations literally, only 144000 virgin men will get to heaven. he just want the rest to go to hell.

excreationist · 09-25-2003, 03:29 AM

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Originally posted by rehpotsirhc
What about the other thousands of intelligent species that MUST exist somewhere in the universe? Will they be in the Xtian heaven, or do they have their own?

It isn't definite that there are many other intelligent species in this universe.... there may be a good chance that life has appeared in other places though...

glyndwr · 09-25-2003, 06:05 AM

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Originally posted by orpheus last chant
I'm sure if one of the major religious sistems came from people of diffrent colour, things would look much more diffrent (as in some african religions, black is good, and white is evil - the colour if devils).

But don't you see, if they didn't accept chryst they [those practicing other religions] aren't gonna be in heaven anyway.

Magus55 · 09-25-2003, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Mageth
How does not sinning take away free will?

Ca-ching! That's contrary to the very argument you've used to defend the need for temptation and free will - if we do not have the opportunity to sin, we don't have free will, and thus cannot freely choose to serve god - when arguing against the argument (phrased much like your statement above) that God could have created a universe in which we could still have free will and not sin (i.e. the temptation in the Garden wasn't necessary).

You are twisting my words. I never said you can't sin in Heaven, I said we won't. There is a difference between choosing not to, and not having the ability to.

Magus55 · 09-25-2003, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by rehpotsirhc
What about the other thousands of intelligent species that MUST exist somewhere in the universe? Will they be in the Xtian heaven, or do they have their own?

Until we discover other intelligent life in the universe, thats irrelevant. There doesn't have to be any other life anywhere.

Magus55 · 09-25-2003, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by Autonemesis
How can it be a place "the human mind can't even begin to conceive" and yet it is also "the best place imaginable"? If I can't imagine it, how can it be the best place I can imagine?

Because God is there. To us, that makes it the best place imaginable. With God, face to face whenever we want. The rest is just an added bonus. Being with God is why most Christians want to go to Heaven.

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Then perhaps he shouldn't have created the place, hmmm? Or perhaps he shouldn't send anyone there, hmmm?

He created it for Satan and his angels. Hell wasn't created for humans. Humans chose to make it their fate too by disobeying God.

And where else is God gonna send "criminals"? Oblivion isn't justice.

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Speaking of hate and venom, why do you hate life so much?

I don't as much anymore, but its upsetting because of how violent and destructive humanity is. The World is also extremely unfair.

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But Satan was able to sin in heaven, so why can't the rest of us?

What if I change my mind about my relationship with jebus after I get to heaven? Can I become unsaved? If not, then where did my free will go?

No one said you can't. The question is, why would you want to?

And no clue what happens if you do sin in Heaven. It may be that those in Heaven chose never to want to sin again by accepting Jesus as their savior, so no one will.

Magus55 · 09-25-2003, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by orpheus last chant

Nonsense. If you insist into taking revelations literally, only 144000 virgin men will get to heaven. he just want the rest to go to hell.

Where did you get that idea? Maybe you need to read up on the purpose of the 144,000 Jews in Revelation. They aren't the only ones to get into Heaven.

Stew · 09-25-2003, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55

And where else is God gonna send "criminals"? Oblivion isn't justice.

Infinite punishment for finite transgression is not justice either.

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rehpotsirhc · 09-25-2003, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Until we discover other intelligent life in the universe, thats irrelevant. There doesn't have to be any other life anywhere.

Until we discover a god, afterlife is irrelevant. There doesn't have to be any heaven. We're still discussing it though.

When discussing the accomodations that a supreme being(s) has provided for us upon our worldy demise, I don't find it irrelevant or outlandish to question whether or not intelligent ET would be there. We are, after all, already making one bold assumption.

But it's not a big deal. Just trying to offer a new possibility.

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