Gunnaheave

Oh I deserved a moderator action for my own statements, but if they can't improve the quality of their moderation, then it's just as well we went our separate ways. It is amazing the difference in quality of moderation between there and here, and I think a large part of it is the general lack of accountability on the part of their mods. They never have to explain an action publically, and so you get a lot of irresponsible decisions. When Zonechaos made a foolish announcement back about 3 years ago and threatened to resign if it wasn't enforced, privately every mod but one said it was a bad move and the staff was unhappy about it, but publically they stood behind him. The announcement was left to stand for well over a year, and it was completely indefensible. Now BF announces a policy regarding "safehouse" threads, says she's going to update it in the future, and nothing happens. I start a thread in suggestions to discuss it without questioning her actions, and she doesn't respond, mocks me for starting the thread, and after 2 or 3 requests for clarification of the policy, we get nothing. 3 times I see conservatives insulting liberal members of the forum (not by name, all nice and general), and three times I confront them as politely as I can. Each time the guy who starts the thread responds with denials, threats, and complaints, then BF jumps in. So, 3 times the only intervention comes when the insults are addressed. I was told to file complaints instead of jumping into the thread. So, one day I did, started tagging every post I found objectionable. Then I get a PM from a mod I geneally respect, telling me to stop, they got the point. Next day, it's the same thing, I file one more complaint, and nothing comes of it. So, this time when BF shows up to protect the thread from my intervention, I'd had enough. The irony is that my banning notice said I could have pursued my complaint in a number of other ways without breaking the rules. I don't know if he was that clueless or just outright lying. The fact is that they do not have a complaint procedure; they have a divide an conquer tactic which ensures that the most arbitrary and capricious decisions of their worst moderators will never be subject to any real scrutiny. But hey! …he did say he was praying for me to become a Christian.

foolsparade

I agree. They have been so diluted by their own morality which brings a sort of tyranny. There isn't alot of critical thinking going on over there. And these people claim to be the guides of us all! I see a direct connection with these rediculous mindsets and to the culture of America. Sorry.. I'm just rambling, what do I know?
:banghead:

Smilin

HELLO foolsparade...

First, let's address 'their' morality. They claim it, yet don't exhibit it
(generally speeking). Now don't get me wrong, there are some very
good people there, however there are no checks and balances
for the moderators by the senior's as well as the site owner.

I've witnessed their (mods) morality for several summers now, and
that has only drove a deeper wedge between myself and their
proclaimed religion. Yet, they all have the same book but cannot
agree upon what it tells them? Ironic to the extreme...ehh?

Morality is a trait like honor, integrity, and respect. It must
be demonstrated, not just claimed. And the heavy hands of
their newest minions which remains unchecked tells all.

They defend their own (mods), and then the ones who display
a cross icon second. Point blank. Everyone else it totally
ignored, nor defended with the same respect, dignity, and honor.
THAT is not morality. That is predjudice, which is also demonstrated
by the fact they've austrocized most of the homosexual members,
target the non-believers/other religions for warning opportunities,
and now they attack the Mormons.

Christians feed on their own, sadly. Which goes against everything
their religion teaches.

No, there isn't a lot of 'critical thinking' going on. When a Christian
member makes outright lies such as evolution being a mafia conspiracy
or that a group called the lesbian avengers are harrassing our school
children remain unchecked for outright lies... and I get warned for
simply honoring an old friend...

That is not morality, and I will have nothing to do with it.

So, we've cornered them in the past on their lies, propaganda, stupidity,
and outright insults and what do they do? Whine for a 'Christians
only section' where they can't be challenged on there claims.

I watched in total dismay at first, then pain, then anger when
a group retreated to their fortress of solitude to Bash the Native
Americans. I complained, nothing was done. Why? Because I'm
a heretic in their eyes. The owner refused to move the thread
to apologetics so I could counter the false claims of some. Request
denied. I sent a lengthy rebuttal to several senior members
addressing that fact, as well as the nonsense of the numberous
warnings I got for honoring a friend.

Morality? NO....

Hypocracy, Bigotry, Decete, Ignorance, Lies......

May those who are guilty rot in the hell they created for themselves.
That, or I'd settle for the fleas of a thousand camels infesting their
crotches.

Smilin

and he is nothing but their 'puppet'. Higher ups remained silent
with my protests, arguments and suggestions. Which disappoints
me actually. A few members I thought would have private words
with me,,,,, nadddaaa...

Just a diplomatic reply from that flesh character spewing the same
general responses you'd get from a politician. No acknowledgements
of my claims, no concerns, (other than I quit mentioning Brimshack
in my posts, and to stay out of the IDD forum)

What a fool, he's just their cleanup guy for those who have no
courage to address concerns to them personally.

Yah think he's got his head up someone's butt?

foolsparade

Hello Smilin! I have Native American blood with in me also. My grandma{mothers side} was Cherokee. I was born in Virginia and my grandma was from Tennessee. Maybe thats why I have no hair on my chest and can run for long periods of time at a fast past. I love running!

I have always had problems explaining myself, yet in my head it's all very clear to me.

Gunnaheave

Hey Smilin, gotta link to the thread?

foolsparade

Now I am banned. As usual I have no idea why or for how long. I was under the warning limit. SEEBS are you still a mod? How can you be a part of a system that is so corrupt and stupid?

Gunnaheave

Actually, I think he's trying to fight the good fight, so to speak. You might ask him to look into your suspension. If it's as bogus as mine was, perhaps he could plead your case.

foolsparade

Ok, so have you seen results? I would never want to put the weight on Seebs shoulders. I would think that most of us consider seebs a friend. I tend to think that seebs is just a pawn used to pacify the enlightened, but I could be wrong.
anyway, how is the water out in Arizona?

Gunnaheave

I think I might have seen some impact in the period leading up to my ban, but I told Seebs I would accept the ban itself, so I don't know what he could have done by way of appealing it. I would say that he is definitely outnumbered, and I can't imagine myself how he manages either actually. But he is a far more patient man than I am, and I'm inclined to respect his judgement. If he thinks he can accomplish something good there, then I wish him luck. If you didn't have any warnings, and they haven't bothered explaining the ban to you, then perhaps you could ask him to look into it. It may be within the realm of the possible.