jakejonesiv

Mystical speculation and assertions arising from it are not amenable to historical inquiry.
Of one thing we can be sure. Mozart is dead. And Jesus, if he existed, is dead too.

Those are facts.

Jake Jones IV

Ted Hoffman

I agree with Jake. Brunner was deep in the fog of mysticism. Jesus was a mystical genius to him. Comparable only to Socrates or Spinoza.Nope.

No Robots

I'm not saying you have to be a mystic. I'm saying that if you want to study one, you have to know something about it. Here's another example: if people want to seriously study Hitler, they have to know something about National Socialism; they can't just dismiss it as "evil", and then hope to come to an understanding of their subject.

Perhaps what is bothering you is my flippant joke about Christ being "one with everything." That's fair enough. Let me avoid mysticism, then. What Brunner says is that Christ's thought continues to grow in its dominion over the minds of individual men. This is an empirically verifiable fact.

jakejonesiv

How so?

Jake Jones IV

No Robots

As Nietzsche puts it:

When we hear the ancient bells growling on a Sunday morning we ask ourselves: Is it really possible! This, for a Jew, crucified two thousand years ago.—Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, All-Too-Human, 1878

aa5874

I made a certain statement which you claim is false, and I tried to clarify my position. I was hoping you would tell me if I had clarified my initial position. Basically, I was refering to the general population and not the disciples in particular.

One must be able to stand on their own two feet to survive, I don't need Jesus Christ.

He has already answered my question.

jakejonesiv

OK.

Thanks,
Jake Jones IV

aa5874

I was refering to those prophecies erroneously thought to be about Jesus Christ, and these include:
The virgin birth
The killing of the babies by Herod
Living in Nazareth
The Baptism by John
Living in Capernaum
The healing of the sick and casting out demons
The riding of two asses
The crucifixion
And much more.

I hope I made myself a little clearer this time around.