Sheshbazzar

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French Prometheus

I've started reading an interesting book on this topic by German egyptologist Rolf Krauss. The original title is Das Moses-Rätsel and I'm reading it in French under the title Moïse le Pharaon. I don't know if there's an English translation. Has anyone read this book?

I've found this in English about the book:

spin

I have put forward a notion similar to the last part of the above contention, ie that post-exilic Jews living in Egypt, in conflict with the local Egyptian population, were the brunt of Egyptian polemic which equated the Jew with the Hyksos, evidence of which can be found in Josephus's Contra Apion. The Jews in Egypt obviously took the polemic as true and rehabilitated it.

I don't like invention of cultural traditions very much. It doesn't seem to follow what I've seen. There is always some kernel of what came before, no matter how twisted, that is captured by tradition.


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offa

No, they are not fiction, they have a truthful element. The silliness of biblical scholars is exposed when they correlate Egypt's pharoah's with Jewish pretenders. Moses probaly never traveled more than twenty-five miles from his home in Jerusalem (wherever that was) in his entire life. You could name a town in Ohio, "Egypt", and some silly scholar will go there and look for pyramids.

offa

Dharma

Is there a historical connection between someone perhaps calling himself "Moses", a foreigner adopted as a son of a Pharoah, Abraham (the story contained in the 5 books of Moses which followed Hurrian laws) and the Egyptian royalty? Apparently yes...the Mitanni/Hurrian empire. What exactly the connection is, I don't know...but there was intermarriage between these people and in particular the Mitanni royalty...it's around this time that Egyptians allowed foreigners to marry into royalty.

It's also around this time that Egyptians complain that foreigners have overtaken the Egyptian throne.

http://www.neareasternarchaeology.co...ex.php/Mitanni

Kirta 1500 BCE-1490 BCE

Shuttarna I 1490 BCE-1470 BCE

Baratarna 1470 BCE-1450 BCE

Parsatatar 1450 BCE-1440 BCE

Saustatar 1440 BCE-1410 BCE

Artatama 1410 BCE-1400 BCE

Shuttarna II 1400 BCE-1385 BCE

Artashumara 1385 BCE-1380 BCE

Tushratta 1380 BCE-1350 BCE

Mattivaza 1350 BCE-1320 BCE

Sattuara I 1320 BCE-1300 BCE

Vashasatta 1300 BCE-1280 BCE

Sattuara II 1280 BCE-1270 BCE




[edit]History
The kingdom of Hanigalbat ruled northern Mesopotamia (including Syria), with the capitals at Washshukanni and Taite.

The daughter of the King Tushratta, Princess Tadukhipa, became the second queen of Akhenaten; the daughter of King Artatama was married to Thutmose IV, Akhenaten's grandfather; and the daughter of Sutarna II (Gilukhipa) was married to his father, Amenhotep III, the great builder of temples who ruled during 1390-1352 BCE .In his old age, Amenhotep wrote to Tushratta many times wishing to marry his daughter, Tadukhipa. It appears that by the time she arrived Amenhotep III was dead. Tadukhipa married the new king Akhenaten and she may have became famous as the Queen Kiya. Some theories however identify her with Nefertiti, also a Queen of Akhenaten.

By approximately 1350 BCE, the Mitanni kingdom had weakened, and had become practically dependent on the Hittites, then under the rule of Shuppiluliuma I. Assyria, previously under Mitannian control, was able to assert its independence during the reigns of Ashuruballit I and Mattivaza, in approximately 1330 BC.

The Mitanni appear to have been renowned in the Hittite Empire for their horsemanship, and surviving Hittite texts on horse-training and chariotry are attributed to one Kikkuli the Mitannian. More speculative is the attribution of the introduction of the chariot to Mesopotamia to early Mitanni.

[edit]Possible connections to Sanskrit
Some scholars try to equate the deities venerated by the Mittanni with Vedic deities and try to trace the names used by the aristocracy to Indo-Aryan roots. In a treaty between the Hittites and the Mitanni, the deities Mitra, Varuna, Indra, and Nasatya are invoked. Kikkuli's horse training text includes technical terms such as aika (eka, one), tera (tri, three), panza (pancha, five), satta (sapta, seven), na (nava, nine), vartana (vartana, round). Another text has babru (babhru, brown), parita (palita, grey), and pinkara (pingala, red). Their chief festival was the celebration of vishuva (solstice) which was common in most cultures in the ancient world. The Mitanni warriors were called marya, which is the term for warrior in Sanskrit as well.

Sanskritic interpretations of Mitanni royal names render Shuttarna as Sutarna ("good sun"), Baratarna as Paratarna ("great sun"), Parsatatar as Parashukshatra ("ruler with axe"), Saustatar as Saukshatra ("son of Sukshatra, the good ruler"), Artatama as "most righteous", Tushratta as Dasharatha ("having ten chariots"?), and, finally, Mattivaza as Mativaja ("whose wealth is prayer"). Some people believe that it is not only the kings who had Indo-Aryan names; a large number of other names which resemble Sanskrit have been unearthed in records from the area. Others point out that overinterpretation of ancient names is an issue that must be taken into account.




[edit]External links
The Hurrian Culture [1] (http://ancientneareast.tripod.com/Hu...f_Mitanni.html)

The Mitanni and their influence on Egypt [[Category:Mesopotamia (http://www.ece.lsu.edu/kak/akhena.pdf)]