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Old 06-20-2006, 09:26 PM   #91
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Sure it's possible, that's why there's paleographical analysis(writing style, ink analysis, paper analysis, was it reused, etc.), which you reject. In fact it seems you reject the very profession of archeology.
But without C14 verification, there are no checks and balances on paleography. And there are darn few comparisons to begin with. Little or nothing between the first and third centuries CE.

Besides it is far too easy for a scribe to copy a handwriting style to look old from a manuscript that looks old. Verneration of the old was as prominent in those centuries as it is in ours. Just check out any antique shop.
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Yale Divinity School in the 1930s. That certainly sounds like an unbiased source.
If you want to complain about Yale's work, you know what you have to do. You don't have to sink to the level of our fundy friends. What part of the evidence do you have problem with, the secure dating or the iconography? I'll be happy to note your argued case.


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But without C14 verification, there are no checks and balances on paleography. And there are darn few comparisons to begin with. Little or nothing between the first and third centuries CE.

Besides it is far too easy for a scribe to copy a handwriting style to look old from a manuscript that looks old. Verneration of the old was as prominent in those centuries as it is in ours. Just check out any antique shop.
What is necessary in order to do palaeography is a sufficient collection of dated materials as exemplars of specific fonts. In fact at Oxyrhynchus and Tebtunis there are many dated official texts available as exemplars. While the Dead Sea Scrolls have fundamentally a few securely dated texts from the Bar Kochba period and therefore quite insufficient for developing a substantial sequence of fonts and font variations, that situation does not reflect the vast collection from the Egyptians sites. The dated texts are usually local officials. The palaeography cannot be so easily overlooked for yes there are controls on the palaeography: you have internal datings, ie references within the letters to a dating system, for several centuries. You have to deal with this palaeography otherwise you would be in denial of well supported evidence.


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If you want to complain about Yale's work, you know what you have to do. You don't have to sink to the level of our fundy friends. What part of the evidence do you have problem with, the secure dating or the iconography? I'll be happy to note your argued case.


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I have a problem with that fact that I don't know what Yale's evidence is. Does anybody know?

What was written on this scrap of paper found in the rubbish pit? Is there a photograph or sketching of it available, and where in Dura was the rubbish pit?



Likewise for this 'christian' graffito: what does it say, are there photos and/or sketches available and - with the use of the map above - can anyone kindly tell me which wall (or other structure) was it found scratched upon?
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