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Anat · 09-25-2005, 10:43 PM

From an Orthodox Jewish POV the gentiles are required to follow the 7 Noachide laws, most of which were supposedly given to Adam, and can be derived by way of midrash from Genesis 2:16-17 ("And the LORD God commanded the man, saying: 'Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.'") See The Origins and Derivation of the Noachide Laws:

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The derivation of the first six laws From Genesis 2:16 is accomplished as follows:

VAYITSAV HASHEM ELOKIM AL HAADM LEIMOR MICHAL EITS HAGAN OCHEL
And Hashem God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat.

Idolatry: TSAV (command). As evident from Hosea 5:11, TSAV is an allusion to the worship of idols. There, the word TSAV is used directly in reference people doing the command (TSAV) of idolatrous priests (Rashi) and the wicked kings (Radak).

Blasphemy: HASHEM (God). The word develops an association between this verse and the prohibition against cursing God mentioned in the verse Leviticus 24:16, which explicitly uses the name HASHEM.

Murder: AL HAADAM (To the Man). The words refer to the command against murder as mentioned in Genesis 9:6 where the word ADAM is also used to describe man.

Sexual Immorality: LEIMOR (saying). The word LEIMOR establishes a connection between this verse and Jeremiah 3:1, which starts with the word LEIMOR. Jeremiah 3:1 discusses acts which are sexually immoral.

Theft: This is derived from the plain meaning of the verse to granting license to eat from the trees of the garden for otherwise Adam would have been forbidden to do so, because the property did not belong to him.

Courts of Justice: ELOKIM (God). Exodus 22:27 uses that Name in reference to judges and the judical process.

Flesh from a Living Animal: Nevertheless, you may not eat flesh with its life, which is its blood. This is not derived from Genesis 2:16. Rather, from the plain meaning of Genesis 9:4.

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John Kesler · 09-26-2005, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by spin

When was Genesis 26 written? And how do you know?

The request was for an apologetic for why God could punish people for violation of laws which allegedly did not exist. I satisfied this request by showing that according to biblical chronology, laws and ordinances existed before being written at Sinai, so when Genesis 26 was actually written is irrelevant, as is your later point about the Sabbath.

spin · 09-26-2005, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by John Kesler

The request was for an apologetic for why God could punish people for violation of laws which allegedly did not exist. I satisfied this request by showing that according to biblical chronology, laws and ordinances existed before being written at Sinai, so when Genesis 26 was actually written is irrelevant,

Your statement either assumes some chronological merit or is vain.

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Originally Posted by John Kesler

as is your later point about the Sabbath.

Firstly, perhaps when you make statements you should clarify exactly what you are saying. You need to realise that people other than yourself read your comments.

Secondly, I was interested in the chronological location of the markers you gave for they are obviously refer to times later than the contexts imply, as the data I provided points to.

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