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dog-on · 11-13-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

I like DeConick. I think she does the best that can be done with the material, and all this floundering around to create some space where a historical Jesus might have existed is eventually going to lead to the success of mythicism.

Perhaps.

aa5874 · 11-13-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

...The gospels aren't mythologized, they are spiritualized as we move from gMark> gJohn.

But, the Gospels including g Mark are filled with myth.

These are excerpts of the myths found in gMark.

Jesus talked to devils and transfer them to 2000 pigs in order to execute the devils by suicide.

Mark 5.11-14

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11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. 12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. 13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand) and were choked in the sea. 14 And they that fed the swine fled....

Here Jesus will feed about 5000 men with 2 fish and 5 loaves.

Mark 6.41-44

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41 And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided he among them all.

42 And they did all eat, and were filled.
43 And they took up twelve baskets full of the fragments, and of the fishes. 44 And they that did eat of the loaves were about five thousand men.

In this mythical fable, Jesus will walk on water during a storm.

Mark 6.48-49

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48 And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them. 49 But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit...

Jesus will turn to white light and dead people will talk to him.

Mark 9.2-4

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2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. 3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. 4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Jesus will talk to a tree and it will die within hours.

Mark 11.19-21

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And when even was come, he went out of the city. 20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

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Jesus died and was buried but just vanishes. He has RISEN.

Mr 16:6 -

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And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Jesus was an humanized god/man myth.

arnoldo · 11-13-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnoldo

...The gospels aren't mythologized, they are spiritualized as we move from gMark> gJohn.

But, the Gospels including g Mark are filled with myth.

These are excerpts of the myths found in gMark.

Jesus talked to devils and transfer them to 2000 pigs in order to execute the devils by suicide.

Mark 5.11-14

Here Jesus will feed about 5000 men with 2 fish and 5 loaves.

Mark 6.41-44

In this mythical fable, Jesus will walk on water during a storm.

Mark 6.48-49

Jesus will turn to white light and dead people will talk to him.

Mark 9.2-4

Jesus will talk to a tree and it will die within hours.

Mark 11.19-21
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Jesus died and was buried but just vanishes. He has RISEN.

Mr 16:6 -

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And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

Jesus was an humanized god/man myth.

Is the only reality material or immaterial?

aa5874 · 11-13-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

....Is the only reality material or immaterial?

The evidence from sources of antiquity indicates that Jesus was REALLY immaterial.

This is gMark on the material/immaterial GOD/MAN.

Mark 16.12

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After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

Jesus could appear REAL in any form, material or immaterial.

arnoldo · 11-13-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

....Is the only reality material or immaterial?

The evidence from sources of antiquity indicates that Jesus was REALLY immaterial.

This is gMark on the material/immaterial GOD/MAN.

Mark 16.12

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After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

Jesus could appear REAL in any form, material or immaterial.

A skeptical flatlander would also think that a spherical orb which materializes into it's dimension and dematerializes was impossible. However, if the flatlander could conceptualize that there were higher dimensions; then the apparent duality of the orb become possible. Do you deny that there exists higher dimensions than the ones we can perceive with our senses?

aa5874 · 11-13-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by arnoldo

..A skeptical flatlander would also think that a spherical orb which materializes into it's dimension and dematerializes was impossible. However, if the flatlander could conceptualize that there were higher dimensions; then the apparent duality of the orb become possible. Do you deny that there exists higher dimensions than the ones we can perceive with our senses?

It appears that Jesus and the Devil were flatlanders. Examine the temptation of Jesus as described by the author of Matthew where the Devil took Jesus into higher dimensions.

Matthew 4.8

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And the Devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him ALL the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them.

I must admit that the temptation of Jesus and the Devil is beyond my senses.

I could not have perceived that Jesus and the Devil were flatlanders, but it has been recorded, perhaps for eternity.

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