post tenebras lux

So, Mirage, in all those cases of miscarriages of justice in Britain, the victims (the convicted innocent) should have confessed their 'guilt' and begged for parole instead of continuing to protest their innocence until the courts of appeal finally cleared them? :huh:

Nope, I'm not going to agree with that one, sorry.

ETA: And then there are those pesky refugees and (genuine) asylum-seekers. I suppose you'd tell them that they brought the persecution (that they suffered in their home country) upon themselves and so deserve no sympathy or assistance? Human Rights be damned, just bow to the biggest bully and agree with whatever bullcrap comes out of his mouth.

Afghan

But he wasn't asking them to confess their guilt. He was giving them an opportunity to prove their innocence by saying a few prayers.

post tenebras lux

Which is why I did my ETA bit.

Afghan

Fair enough. Although military dictatorships, expansionist nationalism, crucifixion and gladiatorial combat also 'jar' with me.

Alf

No, I wasn't aware of that. I thought it was named after that guy who happened to have a last name of Martyr.

Thank you for pointing out that mistake of mine.

Alf

Samwise

Got any empirical evidence for that claim?

Ulrich

As well as slavery, I would expect. Human Rights were not very well respected during that era of human civilization, if they were respected at all. Pliny's comments are an accurate representation of the thinking of a man in his position at the time they were written, and there is no reason to believe that the comments are not his own.

Alf

Care to give me ONE example of a christian who in a meeting with other christians would stand up and defend the atheist. Not his views but his right to hold those views without being ridiculed?

I dare say they all would just quote the bible verse that says "The fool says in his heart there is no god" etc. Not one of them would stand up and say "This is not right".

Care to show me ONE example to prove me wrong?

Alf

post tenebras lux

Hmm, but I'm not asking if that passage appeared consistent with the thinking of 'a man in his position', I was asking if it appeared consistent with Pliny's thinking. We have other writings by him, do you know of other instances where he exhibited the same morality? Where else does he punish honesty in a like manner?

Barefoot Bree

My dad.

Ex methodist minister (no longer active, but still ordained), very active in his church, involved in more groups than I could name, and without a doubt the most non-judgemental person I have ever met. He would have no qualms standing up in front of all of them and defending my right to hold my views without ridicule, and he would never ridicule me, my beliefs, or anyone else who holds them.