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It is your reading of the NT that I do not agree with. Essentially, you hold to the reading of traditional Christian religion, ie. that Christ is God. To this major premise you add the minor premise that God does not exist. This leads you to the conclusion that Christ does not exist. This is all perfectly logical. However, the premise that Christ is God has always been disputed. The official Church tried everything in its power to suppress the contention that Christ was only a man. The Church failed in this. Now, the Church position is taken up by mythologians. They, too, will fail.
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It is far more ridiculous to claim Jesus was a man who was born of a virgin, resurrected, ascended to heaven and is coming back to earth a second time. There are no corroborative sources of antiquity outside of apologetics that can show that there was such a man during the time of Tiberius and Pilate. It should be obvious to the author of the 'Restitution of Jesus Christ' that the Jesus God/man story was plausible and believable in antiquity and that it was not necessary for Jesus to have existed at all whether as a God or a man. Believers only want a believable story. Neither Zeus nor Apollo needed to have existed to have been believed to have existed as Gods or that they had the ability to perform miracles. |
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Now, it was the Church writers and the authors of the NT that presented a myth to the world, under the pretense of a God/man, and MJers only confirm the myth. I can confirm that Jesus was described as a myth in Matthew 1.18 and Luke 1.35 where Jesus was described as the offspring of the Holy Ghost of God or in John 1 where he was described as the creator of the world. In order to show that Jesus was only a man you need some corroborative or credible source of antiquity external of the Church. There is none. The author of "The Restitution of Christ" is merely trying to sell his book with gimmicks. There is only one source where Jesus Christ was mentioned and they are all forgeries, Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.3. and 20.9.1. If you propose that the Church traditionally presented Christ as a GOD, then they have in effect presented a myth. Traditionally Gods are myths. Zeus and Apollo followed that tradition and they were not alone. The proposal that Jesus was merely man has no support at all from sources of antiquity outside the Church, even almost all apocryphal writings, though rejected by the Church, claim Jesus was a God/man. It must be universally accepted that if Jesus existed that he must have been human, but there can be found no evidence or corroborative source of antiquity that can show that Jesus did exist during the time of Tiberius and Pilate. |
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Cerinthus and the Ebionites asserted the Christ was just a man.
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And when exactly did Cerinthus and the Ebionites make those claims? About a hundred years after Jesus supposedly lived? It must be noted that The Church writers made claims about Josephus that now seem false. Please, I need information external of the Church about Cerinthus and the Ebionites. |
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