dr lazer blast

does this mean that athiesm is a belief? if not can someone please explain the difference between aa's stance on Jesus and an athiests stance on God?

Amaleq13

How can you believe that God does not exist without it being a belief?

Solitary Man

You can have a lack of belief in god.

dr lazer blast

well in a thread a while back I stated that atheists believe that God does not exist, but it was met with heavy criticism, then I got deployed and couldn't respond to clarify myself. Just curious. Thanks!

aa5874

There is NOTHING to believe about the God of the Jews or the Jesus of the NT.

Or, maybe I should say, the God of the Jews and the Jesus of the NT are NOTHING to believe.

Or, with respect to the God of the Jews and the Jesus of the NT, I am a NON-BELIEVER.

Amaleq13

I was assuming a "strong atheist" position was being offered but, yes, I agree that simply lacking faith in the existence of god is different from believing god does not exist. I don't see how one could call a lack of faith in the existence with no assertion of non-existence a belief.

Double-a's incoherent protests notwithstanding, any time one asserts that a god does not exist, one is asserting a belief.

aa5874

Lack means the fact or state of not having something or that which is missing or needed.

I do not have the thing called belief in the God of the Jews or the Jesus of the NT.

Or, I am missing the thing called belief for the God of the Jews or the Jesus of the NT.

Or, I lack belief with respect to the God of the Jews or Jesus of the NT.

Amaleq13

Yes but, every time you assert that Jesus did not exist, you go beyond that. The assertion is a belief whether you are willing to admit it or not.

True but you do have a belief about Jesus if you declare that he did not exist.

No way around it, amigo. The assertion you've been repeating ad nauseum is a belief about Jesus.

aa5874

You are the one trying to go around my NON-BELIEF.

You agree that there can be a LACK of BELIEF.

You agree with the meaning of LACK.

Yet, you simply continue with your strawman.

Amaleq13

No, I'm simply noting that your repeated assertion that Jesus does not exist is certainly and clearly a belief.

Yes. Do you not understand that an assertion that Jesus did not exist goes beyond a mere "lack of belief"?

It certainly is not a strawman because your repeated assertions of your belief that Jesus did not exist are readily available to any search of your posts.

Each and every time you have made that assertion, you have been stating your belief about Jesus.