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Old 12-29-2006, 07:09 PM   #61
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Just to throw in something that hasn't been mentioned yet, some people make a link between the three Magi and the three stars in the belt of Orion. Do a google for magi orion and have some fun!

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Does the bible explain how they found jesus once they got to Bethlehem?
Read Matt 2:1-11.
You really need to get a copy of the Bible.
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Old 12-30-2006, 12:45 AM   #63
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The birth of Jesus corresponded with the Vernal Equinox (March 20),and the beginning of the Age of Pisces (AD 1 -2150).
I've seen that sort of date mooted before. evidence?

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Pisces is the symbol of the fish, also representative of Jesus Christ. The Age of Pisces is very close to the year Christianity emerged up to the present.
And, now I think of it, I never understood why the fish became a christian symbol. I suppose Pisces is plausible, in the lack of any alternative explanations. Does anyone have an alternative?

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The Wise Men would be in search of the one that would define the Age. I don't know how they tracked the Constellation to the manger though. I guess it just shows how wise they were.
One explanation would be that the incident never happened.

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Old 12-30-2006, 12:51 AM   #64
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And, now I think of it, I never understood why the fish became a christian symbol. I suppose Pisces is plausible, in the lack of any alternative explanations. Does anyone have an alternative?
I thought it was supposed to be an acronym. Iesous Christos Theous blah blah something Soter, I Ch Th O S=fish. Jesus Christ son of god & saviour.
 
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Well, since you don't have any problem with my assumption, let's save ourselves the argument over historical sources.
Darn, I thought for a second you might actually have some.
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Old 12-30-2006, 08:18 AM   #66
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Sounds like something out of the Wicker Man.
Who's the Wicker Man?
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Why should the idea of god sacrificing himself to himself to save his own creation from his own wrath be viewed as anything other than bizarre?
I assume you know the Christian answer to that question. But if you don't, I'll give it a shot.

Try to remember that in a way the entire Christian story is to use ONE of the definitions of bizarre: strikingly out of the ordinary. Anyone who has no taste for that which is unique will have a hard time with the Christian story. Exactly how it relates to the ordinary is the business of theology.

Stumpjumper is a panentheist. If I remember correctly, that means he believes that God is enclosed in creation while still being transcendent.

Squirrel has been talking lately about creation being enclosed by God, and he's been stressing that what some would call bizarre is just a 'normal' function of that system.

I like Karl Barth's treatment where he speaks of that which is real and that which is really real (the being and work of God). You'll notice the play on words. He also thinks God encloses creation, and while he makes a distinction, you'll notice that the play on words gives that which is 'natural' and that which is 'supernatural' one, inherent grounding.

All three of us, I would guess, don't see a sharp divide between God and creation, between that which is ordinary and that which is unique.
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Hey guys,

Some time ago I opened a thread about "The Star of Betlehem" In S&S. It might be interesting for some of you, especially for those who know something about acient astrology. I am posting this because the discussion needs to go on, since I have some open questions left (which are postet in the thread).






Greetings from Heidelberg.
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The Wicker Man is a cult horror film from the 70s about a policeman who gets caught up in a surviving pagan cult in rural England. A feature of this fictional paganism is that human sacrifices are burnt alive in a human-shaped wicker effigy.
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The Wicker Man is a cult horror film from the 70s...
Recently remade with Nicolas Cage.
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I've seen that sort of date mooted before. evidence?
Re the vernal equinox, see this thread. It looks at the wider relation between the dates of various festivities and the yearly solar cycle.

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