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spin · 12-25-2010, 12:19 AM

Silly season drive-by?

Toto · 12-25-2010, 12:59 AM

Semester break.

ApostateAbe · 12-25-2010, 09:56 AM

What's the difference?

arnoldo · 12-25-2010, 11:18 AM

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In the spirit of the holidays, I am bumping this thread up. This is what Christmas is all about.

No, this is not what Christmas is all about. If your reconstructed historical Jesus has a shred of historical value, there is no reason to think that he was born on December 25 (or Jan 6, depending on your calendar and your sectarian commitment) or that he would want you to celebrate his birth with presents and pagan rituals including bringing a tree into the house to decorate and worship, in violation of God's Holy Inspired Word at Jeremiah 10:2-4 “Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, that it move not”.

December 25 is not the birthday of the historical Jesus. . .

Agreed. The writers of the gospel narrative appeared to have indicated that his birthday was during the festival of Sukkot(September/October)

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As we have stated earlier in this chapter, the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles) is called "the season of our joy" and "the feast of the nations." With this in mind, in Luke 2:10 it is written, "And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings [basar in Hebrew; otherwise known as the gospel] of great joy [Sukkot is called the 'season of our joy'], which shall be to all people [Sukkot is called 'the feast of the nations']." So, we can see from this that the terminology the angel used to announce the birth of Yeshua were themes and messages associated with the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles).

http://www.hebroots.org/sevenfestivals_chap9.htm

Chili · 12-25-2010, 12:21 PM

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In the spirit of the holidays, I am bumping this thread up. This is what Christmas is all about.

No, this is not what Christmas is all about. If your reconstructed historical Jesus has a shred of historical value, there is no reason to think that he was born on December 25 (or Jan 6, depending on your calendar and your sectarian commitment) or that he would want you to celebrate his birth with presents and pagan rituals including bringing a tree into the house to decorate and worship, in violation of God's Holy Inspired Word at Jeremiah 10:2-4 “Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, that it move not”.

December 25 is not the birthday of the historical Jesus. It is the symbolic celebration of the mythical birth of the mythical Jesus Christ, who incorporated all prior myths regarding light and the rebirth of the sun and the necessity of rites to help the sun return; which myth was then turned into an American family celebration of childhood materialism. That's why you get a vacation at this time of the year.

Of course he was born on the 25th. Just look at the shape of the numbers 2 and 5 and see the retaliation in the number 2 that instead of coming full circle in the 0 went 'the other way' to give form to the number 2, that subsequently along the faculty reason is to be exhausted to finally reach the inversion of faith in the number 5 (as inverted 2) and so '25' was, is and always will be the day that the renewal of mind is initiated . . . and if the above is not true he was never born worthy for us to talk about.

Chili · 12-25-2010, 12:37 PM

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No, this is not what Christmas is all about. If your reconstructed historical Jesus has a shred of historical value, there is no reason to think that he was born on December 25 (or Jan 6, depending on your calendar and your sectarian commitment) or that he would want you to celebrate his birth with presents and pagan rituals including bringing a tree into the house to decorate and worship, in violation of God's Holy Inspired Word at Jeremiah 10:2-4 “Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, that it move not”.

December 25 is not the birthday of the historical Jesus. It is the symbolic celebration of the mythical birth of the mythical Jesus Christ, who incorporated all prior myths regarding light and the rebirth of the sun and the necessity of rites to help the sun return; which myth was then turned into an American family celebration of childhood materialism. That's why you get a vacation at this time of the year.

Of course he was born on the 25th. Just look at the shape of the numbers 2 and 5 and see the retaliation in the number 2 that instead of coming full circle in the 0 went 'the other way' to give form to the number 2, that subsequently along the faculty reason is to be exhausted to finally reach the inversion of faith in the number 5 (as inverted 2) and so '25' was, is and always will be the day that the renewal of mind is initiated . . . and if the above is not true he was never born worthy for us to talk about.

. . . and of course the number 3 shows that we are divided in our own mind and it is not until past epiphany (7) that we are complete in both minds of 8

ApostateAbe · 12-26-2010, 01:42 PM

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No, this is not what Christmas is all about. If your reconstructed historical Jesus has a shred of historical value, there is no reason to think that he was born on December 25 (or Jan 6, depending on your calendar and your sectarian commitment) or that he would want you to celebrate his birth with presents and pagan rituals including bringing a tree into the house to decorate and worship, in violation of God's Holy Inspired Word at Jeremiah 10:2-4 “Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, that it move not”.

December 25 is not the birthday of the historical Jesus. It is the symbolic celebration of the mythical birth of the mythical Jesus Christ, who incorporated all prior myths regarding light and the rebirth of the sun and the necessity of rites to help the sun return; which myth was then turned into an American family celebration of childhood materialism. That's why you get a vacation at this time of the year.

Of course he was born on the 25th. Just look at the shape of the numbers 2 and 5 and see the retaliation in the number 2 that instead of coming full circle in the 0 went 'the other way' to give form to the number 2, that subsequently along the faculty reason is to be exhausted to finally reach the inversion of faith in the number 5 (as inverted 2) and so '25' was, is and always will be the day that the renewal of mind is initiated . . . and if the above is not true he was never born worthy for us to talk about.

Are you serious? I have never seen that kind of numerology. Is there anything I need to know about the numbers of the date of Easter?

Chili · 12-26-2010, 04:08 PM

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Of course he was born on the 25th. Just look at the shape of the numbers 2 and 5 and see the retaliation in the number 2 that instead of coming full circle in the 0 went 'the other way' to give form to the number 2, that subsequently along the faculty reason is to be exhausted to finally reach the inversion of faith in the number 5 (as inverted 2) and so '25' was, is and always will be the day that the renewal of mind is initiated . . . and if the above is not true he was never born worthy for us to talk about.

Are you serious? I have never seen that kind of numerology. Is there anything I need to know about the numbers of the date of Easter?

Not sure if it is numerology but just reading the clock as a reminder of salvation for Catholics. Each number will have its own story and yes, that includes Easter at the number 10 where we are complete as God in one mind. Then in 11 we walk side by side with God and in 12 we have our second death and thus is where eternity ends.

ApostateAbe · 12-26-2010, 06:02 PM

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Are you serious? I have never seen that kind of numerology. Is there anything I need to know about the numbers of the date of Easter?

Not sure if it is numerology but just reading the clock as a reminder of salvation for Catholics. Each number will have its own story and yes, that includes Easter at the number 10 where we are complete as God in one mind. Then in 11 we walk side by side with God and in 12 we have our second death and thus is where eternity ends.

Thanks. Where eternity ends? Are you speaking figuratively there?

Chili · 12-26-2010, 07:24 PM

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Are you serious? I have never seen that kind of numerology. Is there anything I need to know about the numbers of the date of Easter?

Not sure if it is numerology but just reading the clock as a reminder of salvation for Catholics. Each number will have its own story and yes, that includes Easter at the number 10 where we are complete as God in one mind. Then in 11 we walk side by side with God and in 12 we have our second death and thus is where eternity ends.

Thanks. Where eternity ends? Are you speaking figuratively there?

Fair question in that eternity has no end as ('in being') the continuity of infinity which itself has no beginning apart from eternity which so ends with the second death to remain as infinite, which then is how the finite is transformed to make the infinite known.

If the above was not true hell would also be infinite and would not end with the second death and thus darkness be real and heaven remain a figment of the imagination and not more than just that.

The upshot here is that hell does end with the second death and they just get buried to end all suffering while in eternity we just leave our good works behind (reduced from Rev.14:13).

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