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Old 12-21-2009, 09:24 PM   #51
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How can an evolved being fail to see the product of evolution?

Evolution is not a one-off bizarre event. Your own evolution continues.
How did I guess that you wouldn't see that this was a joke? I'm making fun here of all those creationists who bizarrely insist that evolution is not possible because they always say that "no one's ever seen it happen"! Basically, it's an equivalent of shutting one's eyes, sticking one's fingers in one's ears, and screaming as loudly as possible.

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And nobody has ever actually seen Jesus keeping someone alive in a car accident either, but that doesn't mean he's not doing it.
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And nobody has ever actually seen Jesus keeping someone alive in a car accident either, but that doesn't mean he's not doing it.
Hi Fenton, no one has observed Siddhartha keeping anyone alive in a landslide either, but sometimes Buddhists in China survive landslides, of power sufficient to destroy entire towns.

No one has ever seen Zarathustra save people from Earthquakes in Iran, but that doesn't mean that he is not intervening on their behalf....

Tsunamis are devastating, but, some folks survive--even that natural disaster. Should we assume that in Indonesia, it was Mohammed, who was responsible for the modest few survivors, not suffering the fate of thousands of their countrymen?

Superstitious thinking is not unusual in many parts of the world, including, apparently, right here on this forum....

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No one has seen Jesus pass by a car wreck and let everyone die, either. Doesn't mean he's not doing it. It works both ways, despite believer's trying very hard to ignore that.

But, I love how the articles about this immediately invoke "Jesus" because of some tenuous link to someplace mentioned somewhere in the bible -- found a first century house near the modern town of Nazareth? Must be related to Jesus! Maybe even his own house! Just imagine him playing in the street outside his family home with neighborhood children. It's a very unsubtle piece of propaganda. I've already gotten a forwarded email from a fundy friend that this is an Important Discovery to Prove Jesus!

It's a house. Other than a time period that is conducive to magical thinking, there is certainly no reason to invoke Gabriel and Jesus and Mary when discussing it. Hmph.
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Good point about the "tenuous" connection.

Metropolis is a small town in Illiinois. It started in 1839, one hundred years before the Superman comic book became popular. For the past twenty years it has been known as the hometown of Superman. It is not like the major city that is described in Superman comics. It has only a population of 6,000. However, this should not stop anybody from believing that Superman is a historical character, as the writers of early Superman stories obviously exaggerated many things about him, as his legend grew.

Here is a story from last week that did not get as much publicity as the Nazareth one because it did not have a catchy headline. One can imagine it being more read with these headlines:

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METROPOLIS, Ill. - Illinois State Police say they have finally identified a woman whose skeletal remains were found on a ditch by a rural Massac County road more than four years ago.

State police said Thursday they had determined that the dead woman was 72-year-old Frances Graham of Tellico, Tenn. They say that Graham was reported kidnapped from Blount County, Tenn., on Sept. 18, 2005, and that foul play was involved in her death.

The skeletal remains were found on Nov. 19, 2005, by Metropolis resident Harry Foss as he was driving farm equipment down the rural road. Foss, who is now 71, says he has often wondered about who the dead woman was.

Massac County State's Attorney Patrick Windhorst says he can say little about the case because of the ongoing investigation.
If the headline writer who wrote the Nazareth announcement had written the article, I'm sure they would have noted that the woman was born around 1935, a few years before Superman was spotted in Metropolis according to most official Superman sources.

[Note: There is also a small place called Metropolis in Lousiana about 1/2 way between Jackson MS and Shreveport LA and there is a ghost town, Metropolis, Nevada, which started in 1910 and ended in 1950].

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But, I love how the articles about this immediately invoke "Jesus" because of some tenuous link to someplace mentioned somewhere in the bible -- found a first century house near the modern town of Nazareth? Must be related to Jesus! Maybe even his own house! Just imagine him playing in the street outside his family home with neighborhood children. It's a very unsubtle piece of propaganda. I've already gotten a forwarded email from a fundy friend that this is an Important Discovery to Prove Jesus!

It's a house. Other than a time period that is conducive to magical thinking, there is certainly no reason to invoke Gabriel and Jesus and Mary when discussing it. Hmph.
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No one has seen Jesus pass by a car wreck and let everyone die, either. Doesn't mean he's not doing it. It works both ways, despite believer's trying very hard to ignore that.

But, I love how the articles about this immediately invoke "Jesus" because of some tenuous link to someplace mentioned somewhere in the bible -- found a first century house near the modern town of Nazareth? Must be related to Jesus! Maybe even his own house! Just imagine him playing in the street outside his family home with neighborhood children. It's a very unsubtle piece of propaganda. I've already gotten a forwarded email from a fundy friend that this is an Important Discovery to Prove Jesus!

It's a house. Other than a time period that is conducive to magical thinking, there is certainly no reason to invoke Gabriel and Jesus and Mary when discussing it. Hmph.
I think a lot of people are curious about the social environment that Jesus presumably grew up in, and this archaeological discovery would provide the best clues for that.
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I think a lot of people are curious about the social environment that Jesus presumably grew up in, and this archaeological discovery would provide the best clues for that.
Why? There was obviously already tons of evidence for Nazareth before this discovery.

Why does finding one house make any difference?
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Don't you understand that Nazareth was an addition to the tradition. It wasn't original. No two gospels parallel the name, so that it has been added separately, ie by the local community to each gospel. It's just secondary tradition.

All this stuff about Nazareth is a red herring. It never gave support to Jesus.


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If the word has been spelled differently by each source, doesn't that mean that there are then multiple witnesses to this word being used in association with Jesus (as opposed to if they had just copied from each other)?
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.....I think a lot of people are curious about the social environment that Jesus presumably grew up in, and this archaeological discovery would provide the best clues for that.
And, people are beginning to realise that there was NO city of Nazareth based on the archaeological discovery.
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I think a lot of people are curious about the social environment that Jesus presumably grew up in, and this archaeological discovery would provide the best clues for that.
Why? There was obviously already tons of evidence for Nazareth before this discovery.

Why does finding one house make any difference?
Towns change, and there has been no evidence until now about what life was like in the first century CE, the century of Jesus' upbringing. The Christian gospels contain too much myth of the city.
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.....I think a lot of people are curious about the social environment that Jesus presumably grew up in, and this archaeological discovery would provide the best clues for that.
And, people are beginning to realise that there was NO city of Nazareth based on the archaeological discovery.
That's right, only a small hamlet, as a historiological reconstruction hypothesized.
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