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Old 03-05-2008, 07:53 AM   #11
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Now I always thought the revolt in Egypt and Cyrene was unconnected with the one in Judea led by bar Kochba. It preceeded it but the latter was not a direct continuation of the former.

Bar Kochba from what I understand was most likely from the elite class in Judea of the time, recognized an opportunity to sieze independence, and did so.

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Simon of Cyrene had two sons, Alexander and Rufus

Simon bar Kochba had a son called Rufus ... who for a short period led the fight against the Romans after the death of his father.

Simon bar Kochba was declared by some to be the "Messiah"

The 130s ad uprising against the Romans, led by Simon, had its origins in Cyrene in 117 ad.

Conclusion:

The reference to Simon of Cyrene carrying Jesus' cross was either added to a pre-existing story about Jesus ... or the story itself was not written until after the conclusion of the 130s conflict.

My personal opinion about the Story of Jesus is that it originated in a sophisticated PLAY written for an intellectual audience. I see it as having been written 100 years or so after the events it describes ... and that the author did not intend his audience to believe it to be a true story. I also feel that the story as we have it today in Mark is the product of a major alteration of the original text. It was the altered version that became a founding document of Christianity.
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Now I always thought the revolt in Egypt and Cyrene was unconnected with the one in Judea led by bar Kochba. It preceeded it but the latter was not a direct continuation of the former.

Bar Kochba from what I understand was most likely from the elite class in Judea of the time, recognized an opportunity to sieze independence, and did so.

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This is a result of modern scholarship.

Medieval Jewish scholars attempting to link rabbinic traditions with Gentile records apparently tended to identify Ben Koziva's revolt in Rabbinic tradition with the Gentile reports of the revolt in Egypt and Cyrene.

Aparently Azariah de' Rossi in 1573 was the first to establish that Ben Koziva in rabbinic stories is the same as Barchochebas in Gentile sources, and hence provide the basis for a proper historical understanding of these events.

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