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Old 07-14-2006, 08:28 PM   #21
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I fail to understand why so many here are so scornful. Isn't it better for the guy to be a christian and believe in evolution than for him to be a christian and be a YEC. The creation story is at least as reconcileable with evolution as the bible is with itself. You and I both know there is an almost zero chance of converting a christian. However, a person who asks might be converted to evolution. Why make it harder for them?
That's one of the most rational responses i've heard on here from an atheist
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Old 07-14-2006, 10:26 PM   #22
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I fail to understand why so many here are so scornful. Isn't it better for the guy to be a christian and believe in evolution than for him to be a christian and be a YEC. The creation story is at least as reconcileable with evolution as the bible is with itself. You and I both know there is an almost zero chance of converting a christian. However, a person who asks might be converted to evolution. Why make it harder for them?
Ditto.
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But the sun didn't exist yet. I've also read that "day" and "night" in this context are translated as order and chaos.
And how does one "And there was evening, and there was morning" translate in this context?

Please note that I don't want to prove Genesis wrong here - as acronos said, there are ways to reconcile it with evolution etc. (though it takes some effort). I only don't understand how on Earth one can claim to take it literally and reconcile it with evolution at the same time. This does not make the slightest sense.
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But the sun didn't exist yet. I've also read that "day" and "night" in this context are translated as order and chaos.
Interesting translation. Why doesn't the bible say "order and chaos" if that's what it means.

While it's very strange that He created light before He created the sun, and defined day as morning and evening again before creating the sun (even bronze age geocentric, flatearth, goatherders had to understand that the light comes from the sun), I think it's quite a stretch to get from "day and night" to "order and chaos".

I think I gave up on a literal interpretation of the OT when I was quite young. Just take it as allegory, it's much simpler (and more rational) then trying to reinterpret the words to mean something else that more closely meshes with science, and it won't make your brain explode.
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And how does one "And there was evening, and there was morning" translate in this context?
Gradual shifts from Chaos to Order and back?
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Why would Biblical translators use day when that is NOT what was really meant? Obviously they felt that our modern use of the world DAY is accurate.
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