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Old 03-20-2009, 07:14 AM   #151
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Proving what? That people don't like having their week made longer for the same of 'going metric'! This does not mean that a 7-day week is in any way special.
It corresponds to lunar phases.
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Whether anyone does not admit it, and clings to denial instead, does not change the fact the Hebrew is a mysterious language and so is its source.
Can you read and speak the Hebrew language Joseph?
No. I'm not from that country. But I'm amazed christians don't speak Hebrew - their lord never spoke latin, and aramaic was only spoken to foreigners.
No wonder then that you might think Hebrew is a mysterious language- it being a mystery to you.
One might wonder on what basis you are qualified to make observations, judgments, and pronouncements about a foreign language that you really know nothing about.
You are only revealing that you hold an uneducated and superstitious view of the Hebrew language, one that is not at all based upon your knowledge of the subject, but rather upon your ignorance.

Why would you be amazed that Christians don't speak Hebrew?

You are aware that the New Testement was composed in the Greek language, and is based upon the readings of the Greek language Septuagint (LXX) Bible?

Why, if this is so, (and it -can- be demonstrated) would foreign and non-Hebrew Christians be motivated by anything other than curiosity, to learn to read and speak Hebrew, after having recieved their inspired Scriptures, their beliefs, and their gift of The Holy Spirit, through the GREEK writings and language, or through the beliefe of the translations thereof?

You state that "their lord never spoke latin", and although many here certainly will agree that "their lord never spoke" ,

You are again making a pronouncement about something you that really have no way of knowing, and possess no real knowledge of.
You were not there, and even if you had been, you lack the knowledge of the languages to know with any certainty what languages he might be speaking in even if you had heard him speaking.
IF he lived, he may as well have spoken in every language known to man- after all, it would be no bigger miracle than most of the other miracles that are attributed to him.
And on The Day of Pentecost, it is related, that his underlings and servants recieved this gift. Is then the lowly servant greater than his Master?
When The LORD speaks to people today, (does He at all speak to you Joseph?) does He only speak to them in Hebrew? in "mysterious" and foreign words that they cannot understand?
Is this how your LORD speaks and reveals His will and ways to you today Joseph?

כל־ערום יעשה בדעת וכסיל יפרש אולת׃

You may not understand, but the writer thereof, and all that can read it, can well consider this matter.
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Proving what? That people don't like having their week made longer for the same of 'going metric'! This does not mean that a 7-day week is in any way special.
It corresponds to lunar phases.
It won't be uniquely Hebrew in origin then.
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That it certainly isn't.
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It's an ancient source, written by people there at the time or nearly so (which is pretty rare among ancient historians, actually) and depicting the world that we know from other sources.
What "other sources" are you referring to, and where they get their information from?

Were the extrabiblical sources "written by people there at the time or nearly so"?
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One might wonder on what basis you are qualified to make observations, judgments, and pronouncements about a foreign language that you really know nothing about.
Because I've followed this language's history - and it does not follow the normative thread of other languages. The Hebrew alphabetical books is an anomoly being th first of its kind - when there were a host of earlier and more advanced nations and languages around.


This is more than 15 years old, and may not acknowledge some new discoveries, but it makes a reasonabe overall point:
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MYSTERY OF THE HEBREW


The Hebrew language origins mystify. Research does not give any satisfaction of the process of its emergence - raising more questions than answers. Is Hebrew the first spoken language of which all others is its derivates?


1. It appeared suddenly - without a development stage track record.

2. It appeared in an advanced state - escaping the normal evolutionary process of languages. Even 2000 years later, the Latin was less advanced, e.g.: requiring four digits to express 17 (X, V, 1, 1), which the Hebrew dispenses with half as many digits!

3. It manages copious arithmetic’s in the millions with the ease of expression of today's most advanced English (sp: the consensus of millions of Hebrews in the desert, complete with scientific sub-total check lists of age and gender); the dispensing of controversial subjects such as incest, homosexuality and bestiality in concise but comprehensive strokes of a few non-offending words; its prose quoted by the greatest writers in history without any loss of relevance today.

4. It was introduced via the smallest, and certainly not the earliest or mightiest, nation.

5. It was a non-popular, non-pervasive and unknown language to the great empire surrounds and their civilizations: the Egyptians knew 70 languages but knew not Hebrew. Yet it evolved as the most quoted, printed and believed document in recorded history.

6. Archaeological summations of its prototypes (Sumerian, Phoenician) fail to qualify the criteria to any satisfactory levels: why the greatest volume of Hebrew but an absolute vacancy of these assumed earlier writings? Wherefrom the striking similarity between the older Hebrew and the Indian and Japanese scripts so afar off, since 1000s of years? Hebrew is similar to, and influencing of, most written languages today.

7. It introduced a new vocabulary and prose, with no record of past usage, of numerous words and concepts, deemed controversial for 1000s of years.


8. It introduced history and historical writings: akin to today's Telephone Directory, the first Hebrew book (The Torah) is brimming with specificity of names, places, dates, distances, cultures, diets, rivers, mountains - which remain a yardstick in measuring history. But for this Hebrew - the world would have no other source for the life and history of Abraham.

9. It introduced a Document (The Torah) - a summary of laws and statutes, many mostly new, to which none have been able to add to or subtract from: no other religion, ideology or figurehead gave the world a single law not already contained in this Document. Try to name a single new law outside the Torah? It remains comprehensive as a Law book without equal; the world turns by the Torah's 613 Commandments/Laws despite its ancient station in history.

10. It prevailed as no other, after disappearing and returning as no other. Apart from being the oldest alphabetical books in existence (The Dead Sea Scrolls), the Hebrew remained dead/dormant for 2000 years, and then returned circa 1940's as a living language/writings again. No other language ever did so after a period of 150 years of dormancy: Ancient Egyptian, Phoenician, Sumerian, Assyrian, Aramaic, Latin are dead languages.


...The closest to expound any acceptable answers to the mystery of Hebrew, after much research, appears from a most unlikely, perhaps unacceptable source. In a book called THE MEDRASH, appears an entry relating to this sudden advent of the world's oldest surviving alphabetical writings. As a preface, the Hebrew is recorded as being a spoken language in ancient Egypt by the Hebrews, but not as a written one: there is no written Hebrew predating the Torah.

When THE TEN COMMANDMENTS were handed down to the Israelites via Moses (1250 BCE), its second Commandment prohibited the use of Graven Images (for worship). This would present a great contradiction: all writings of this period were in the Cuneiform ('picture writings'), made of animal/beast faces inter-polated with human torsos - or alternatively Human heads with animal limbs. This would clearly not be suitable for the Torah, which contained such a Commandment expressly forbidding Images.

The Midrash tells that Moses was thereupon given the means of transforming 'IMAGE' writings to 'ABSTRACT' writings - and the Alphabet was born. This is the only answer, which explains this mystery. The prototype ascribing of the Hebrew to Phoenician and Canaanite have irresolvable conflicts aside from the absence of those alphabetical books: they contain no ‘V’ [among other alphabets]; and their nations spoke no Hebrew.


The above noted ten attributes of the Hebrew, which is unique unto it and not shared by any other presumed prototypes, may have in fact been the precursor - not the derivative - of those writings, via a connection to the first primal language of humanity. It is established that the Hebrews returned to Canaan 3250 years ago, equipped with the Hebrew books in their possession [the Torah narratives] - thus they could not have received Hebrew from the Canaanites.

In Judaic belief, Hebrew is referred to as LaShon HaKodesh (Holy Tongue) - the Holy One spoke in this language from Sinai. And there was no echo…
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Why would you be amazed that Christians don't speak Hebrew?
Because European christianity shuns anything of connectivity of the Hebrew, grotesquely inculcating a blonde Norwegian greek/aramaic doll like figure to represent jews, desecrating terms like passover for last supper, using a Latin name for Jesus, and whole bunch of etc, etc's. A theology's first obligation is honesty - which means correct sourcings and no vital omissions or distortions.
My knowledge of history says if Jesus existed - he would have won all the Jewish ritual garb supposedly fullfilled away by the Gospelians. Someone's telling fibs - and the reasons for using Latin and greek does not cut it. :huh:
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That it certainly isn't.

I believe the word certainly would only apply if you put up an earlier record of the day and week usage. :wave:
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Did the LORD talk with you in Hebrew today Joseph?

If He had, He would have warned you against the swallowing of such superstitious garbage that has so long been passed off upon the ignorant as being knowledge.

If you had any genuine the love of the truth, you would be a wee-bit more skeptical, and would thoroughly investigate extreme claims made about things that you know yourself to be ignorant of, before repeating them, and proclaiming them as being true.

Ignorance, and superstition Joseph, are dark forces that enslave men's minds.
The Truth would set you free, and you would be free indeed; service to יהוה that is true, is not through subjugation and continued enslavement to men's ancient lies.

TRUTH, that is true indeed, is not, and never was those old and hokey fairy tales that men made up, and wrote down in old books, for their own political advantage and purposes, putting their words into the mouth of their Elohim.
Elohim did NOT speak them, neither did Moshe at all write them.
But as always, it has pleased men to write lies, and to profess to believe those lies that men have written.
Generation to generation false prophets and false teachers have multiplied their lies against The Truth, saying; "The LORD has said, The LORD has said", when He has not spoken.
IF you really loved יהוה אלהים with all of your heart, and with all of your mind, and with all of your strength, you would learn through these fabricated and foolish tales, to seek, and to love Truth for the sake of it being the truth.
Ah Joseph, if only you would understand the meaning of that faith which was of Abraham, which was not drawn from books, nor through the persuasions of men, but was alive and active in the heart, and in the mind of such one as reasoned with יהוה his אלהים face to face. (the tale must be, to convey the greater Truth)

I see a very sad thing here, that you write so very much, revealing that you have not been praying so very much from the heart unto יהוה אלהים .

As for me, for the sake of the Truth, I am here but an ass in the way,
and why at all should any wise and prudent prophet ever hearken to words of a dumb ass?
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That it certainly isn't.
I believe the word certainly would only apply if you put up an earlier record of the day and week usage. :wave:
OK the notion of Sabbath is definitely Jewish, but the Chinese, Japanese and Indians all used seven day weeks I doubt all of them borrowed it from the Jews.
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[...] the Chinese, Japanese and Indians all used seven day weeks I doubt all of them borrowed it from the Jews.
They all borrowed it from the night sky. Perhaps the Sabbath has its roots in astronomy, too?
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