aa5874

" Everyone"---

1. Except for short gMark.

2. Except for Long gMark.

3. Except for gMatthew

4. Except gLuke.

5. Except gJohn.

6. Except Acts of the Apostles.

7. Except The Epistle of 1 Peter.

8. Except The Epistle of James.

9. Except The 3 Johanine Epistles.

10. Except The Epistle of Jude.

11. Except Revelation.

12. Except Justin.

13. Except Aristides.

14. Except Theophilus of Antioch.

15. Except Athenagoras of Athens.

16. Except Minucius Felix.

17. Except Tatian.

18. Except Arnobius

19. Except Celsus in "Against Celsus.

20. Except Marcion..

21. Except Valentinus.

22. Except Basilides

23. Except Cerinthus.

23. Except Carpocrates.

24. Except Saturninus

25. Except Marcus


We can find out who knew of the Pauline writings.

Eusebius "Church History"3.3. 5 How in the world can the Pauline writings be well known and undisputed when Irenaeus claimed Jesus was Crucified AFTER Paul claimed Jesus was ALREADY dead and buried???

In the Pauline writings Jesus was already dead and buried since the time of King Aretas c 37-41 CE or the reign of Emperor Gaius but Irenaeus claimed Jesus was Crucified under Emperor Claudius.

It is clear that Paul's fourteen Epistles were FABRICATED after the mid 2nd century.

Sheshbazzar

Sorry aa, as you can see, I compose my posts like a 2nd century Christian; adding and adding, revising, and amending.

aa5874

Isn't it a big joke when Eusebius stated that the writings of Paul were well known and undisputed when he himself does NOT when Paul lived??

Isn't it an even bigger joke when he says the Four Gospels are Indisputable??

The very same things he says are indisputable HAVE BEEN disputed today.

But, the biggest joke is when he claimed Paul commended gLuke and that the same Paul was executed under Nero.



Church History 6.25
Church History 2.25.5Church History 2.17.6.1. If Paul was executed under Nero then he could NOT have commended gLuke.

2. If Jesus was crucified under Claudius then Paul could NOT have preached Christ crucified since the time of King Aretas.

3. If Acts is authentic then Saul/Paul did NOT write any letters to Churches up to c 59-62 CE.

4. Acts of the Apostles, the Pauline letters and gLuke cannot all be authentic.

It is indisputable that the Pauline letters, Acts of the Apostles and gLuke are LATE fabrications.

That is exactly why they were unknown in the mid 2nd century.

Sheshbazzar

-And I would add, the evidence of Justin also indicates that the 'Jesus' story as it was known to the 2nd century writer 'Justin' from 'the Memoirs', was extensively revised AFTER 'Justin's' time to insert the characters and tales of the fictional apostles 'Matthew' 'Mark' 'Luke' and 'PETER' as needed to give a semblance of 'historical' support to the latter catholic Church's claims of right of authority through 'Apostolic succession'.

Duvduv

Isn't it rather amazing that for all the discussion about "memoirs of the apostles" in relation to gospel stories that this same Justin who lived at the same time and in the same city as the guy named Marcion knew ZERO about any specific text used by this fellow Marcion or the so-called epistles of Paul that Marcion used?

I mean, really. How can this be taken seriously? Heck, his so-called Memoirs don't even disintinguish between any competing or contradictory passages or ideas in the synoptics that "Justin" allegedly knew about.

What is more likely is that the author using the pen name Justin was using some material that was circulating orally but had not become finalized in the three different gospels. Poor Justin makes no attempt at all to reconcile contradictory statements founds in the generic "Memoirs of the Apostles" and couldn't offer any names of any of these authors of the memoirs. Not a single one.

aa5874

Why can't you understand that Marcion may NOT have written anything when Justin was alive??

If you wrote about Joseph Smith in 1829 CE you would NOT have been able to write about the Book of Mormon which was published 1830 CE.

Justin did NOT claim Marcion wrote any books.

Again, why can't you understand that gMatthew, gLuke and gJohn were NOT mentioned by Justin???

There is NO EVIDENCE that the Memoirs of the Apostles contained the contradictions found in the Canonised Gospels.

You have ZERO evidence for your Presumptions.

You are employing a No Source--No Evidence--No proof argument.

You have NO finger prints or affidavits.

Duvduv

"MAY NOT have lived......" Remember, AA, we are not interested in hypotheses. We want evidence. You have ZERO EVIDENCE that a second-century Marcion wrote anything or had any Christian texts.
But I really think I hear an echo, so I am just shooting back the echo........

aa5874

You hear your OWN echo.

What you echo show that you do NOT understand that an hypothesis DEMANDS Data.

I have NOT assumed Marcion wrote anything during the time of Justin.

Duvduv

However you offer unproven hypotheses with "may not have lived" with no evidence......to try to avoid the obvious.......