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Old 02-18-2005, 01:06 PM   #1001
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I guess so. :huh:

Out of curiosity, how long has the IIDB forum been around?
I believe the discussion board started in the late 1990's but history only goes back to 2000 when the system was converted to uBB and then later to vB.
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Old 02-18-2005, 01:13 PM   #1002
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Yet, membership here is at 17,400, while membership at CF is over 101,000. I'm not making this a pissing contest between CF & IIDB. I am merely pointing out that of all the horror stories, complaints and gripes about how CF is run and how poorly the staff members conduct themselves over there, one would think the numbers at CF would pale in comparrison to a site like IIDB. Not the other way around.
We've pruned the user list of people who registered but never posted. We also once mistakenly pruned the list of users who had not posted for a year.

A more valid test would probably be volume of posts per month but that data is not easy to get for both boards. Number of people on-line would be a good surrogate and it looks to me that CF usually has between 2-3 times the number of people on-line than IIDB.

I strongly suspect that if you look at the 100+k users registered at CF that 50% have never posted and another 50% of the remaining have not posted for over a year.
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Old 02-18-2005, 01:28 PM   #1003
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How was that? ... I mean - How did you search them?
I did a google search for the words "banned", "from" and "IIDB".

This brought me up a few pages worth of links - a few of these were to pages on other boards where people had mentioned being banned from here, but most weren't - because the search found anything with those three words in, but not necessarily consecutively or even in the same paragraph.

I checked through the first half dozen or so pages and only came up with 7 instances (5 people - one was whinging on three different boards) of people actually talking about being banned from here.
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Actually it's pretty silly to even try to compare the two boards. (CF & IIDB)

As far as numbers go, of course a board that denotes itself as Christian is going to have more potential users. Most people in the US, still denote themselves as Christian, no matter what the flavor and strength of that Christianity. There is a HUGE difference in the beliefs of the people who post on CF, and if it was allowed, most would spend a good deal of there time there telling the rest that they were not in fact, Christian at all.

The numbers of peoples in the US, however that call themselves openly an atheist or agnostic, or a skeptic is much lower. Many that really have no religous faith wouldn't even be able to admit it to themselves, let alone to their families, or thier neighbors.

There is still severe prejudice in many places against people who are irreligious, so much so, that such a person, should never bother considering running for public office. Those here who have "come out" have often faced great hostilitly or worse from family or friends. (And the Christians cry all the time about being persecuted, it is to laugh).

There are many other differences between the two boards that make for a much different user experience, but since numbers and moderation seemed to be the main comparisons being made, I thought I would just limit my comments to those.

As far as moderation, most people who have posted on each board, can tell you that if you have ideas, or thoughts outside what the moderators feel are "right ideas", you would have much more freedom to post them here. Here you can post just about anything, unless you are inciting a crime, or spamming, or openly trolling. At CF, there are many topics that are limited, many forums that are limited, and those that hold a minority view there, had better post with caution, or find themselves banned. I know I often log on there with some trepitdation, that I might have found myself warned. It is a running joke around my house, as to which posts I can make and still survive there.

I have been warned there by two different moderators, for the same post that barely mentioned that I felt that the Christians in this country had been used by the Repugs, to get into office. A statement I still stand by, but am unable to express on CF. Here that post wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. Now don't get me wrong, I have found some of the comments on posts here by moderators and users to be slightly abrasive at times, but at least I can say what I want, even if I do get laughed at from time to time.

Actually the only reason I post at CF, more than I do here, is because the people here are too intelligent and well-read for me to have much original thought or interesting comment to post here. In other words, I need to do alot more study, before I can even begin to catch up enough to not feel like an idiot when I post here. In comparison, there are many areas although not all on CF, where I not only feel that I can run with the pack, but in which I feel, I can actually lead a bit.
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We've pruned the user list of people who registered but never posted. We also once mistakenly pruned the list of users who had not posted for a year.

A more valid test would probably be volume of posts per month but that data is not easy to get for both boards. Number of people on-line would be a good surrogate and it looks to me that CF usually has between 2-3 times the number of people on-line than IIDB.

I strongly suspect that if you look at the 100+k users registered at CF that 50% have never posted and another 50% of the remaining have not posted for over a year.
While this all may very well be, it's clear to see that CF is considered to be the 16th largest forum in the world. I can't help it, but that is how it looks.
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I have been warned there by two different moderators, for the same post that barely mentioned that I felt that the Christians in this country had been used by the Repugs, to get into office. A statement I still stand by, but am unable to express on CF.
As Bush's contempt for Christian values becomes more clear, it's getting easier to say that. There's a couple of threads on it in GPD now.
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While this all may very well be, it's clear to see that CF is considered to be the 16th largest forum in the world. I can't help it, but that is how it looks.
That's going by raw posts, which isn't totally unreasonable. However, it doesn't give any weighting by age.

The interesting thing is that IIDB is now bigger than CF was, say, three years ago... But IIDB continues to have fewer problems with abusive staff. I would be fascinated to find out why this is... I have tons of theories, but it's hard to be sure.
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While this all may very well be, it's clear to see that CF is considered to be the 16th largest forum in the world. I can't help it, but that is how it looks.
Neither am I contesting that. I've simply pointed out that to compare registered users is not a good measure of the size difference given that IIDB has actively pruned it's user database of non-users.

As I pointed out above, CF appears to have between 2-3 times the number of users on-line than IIDB at any given time. It is likely a good measure of the curent size difference in terms of "load" on moderators.
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As I pointed out above, CF appears to have between 2-3 times the number of users on-line than IIDB at any given time. It is likely a good measure of the curent size difference in terms of "load" on moderators.
You'd think, but I'd estimate that the moderator load difference is closer to 40-1 or 50-1.
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I did a google search for the words "banned", "from" and "IIDB".

This brought me up a few pages worth of links - a few of these were to pages on other boards where people had mentioned being banned from here, but most weren't - because the search found anything with those three words in, but not necessarily consecutively or even in the same paragraph.

I checked through the first half dozen or so pages and only came up with 7 instances (5 people - one was whinging on three different boards) of people actually talking about being banned from here.
Right.

Google doesn't have information on threads which non-members, (guests), are denied access....like this very thread we're in.
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