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Corona688 · 05-02-2004, 10:54 AM

Dilandu, this just about says it all:

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I had to write a program, but at this time I had only Amiga-BASIC available as a programming language and only the Genesis as a computer readable hebrew text (a michigan-claremont file). I examined it's verses and found, that the longest verse of the Genesis has 26 words and added this to the knowledge, that the Genesis has 1533 verses. But as I intended to use the position of a word in a verse as the radius at which a dot should be drawn by the progam, 26 different radi seemed to poor for an interesting output. 1533 spokes on the other hand seemed far to much to handle. Hence I divide the 1533 verses by a plain number and found due to past and related number studies, that thrice 511 would be a good average, making three concentric circles with together 26 x 3 = 78 possible different radi on each spoke. I wrote the program and entered the value "666" for testing. After some dozens of corrections it worked

The three rings are not in the torah. You yourself said you wanted three rings instead of the obvious number. You then manipulated it until you got the results you wanted instead of the results you saw! You assumed what you wanted to prove, and sure enough, working from the assumption that you are right, you were able to prove that you were right. Big suprise.

Corona688 · 05-02-2004, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dilandau

You asked for the plain data. The plain data is there (and was there):

- the torah

The torah is not supposed to be read by non-Jews, correct? Catch-22.

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the pictures without lines (click on them onthe page)

The pictures suffer the same problem as all the rest of your "proofs" - you assumed the answer and found a way to hammer your data into it, instead of finding a theory that fit your data. You can't do science backwards.

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the program (link at the bottom of the page)

I have looked, and looked, and looked, and cannot find it. Either your definition of "bottom" is different from mine, or your page could use some serious organization and simplification.

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"Scientific proof" is defined by the opposite, by the sceptics, lastly by the winner.

Um, no, it's not. Learn some more about science please.

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By the winner of a war of interests.

Interests don't prove a damn thing. Only facts are important.

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Your interest is to get me to think.

Yes. I want you to examine other possibilities than the one you have railroaded yourself into. You started out ALREADY KNOWING what it was you wanted to prove and proceeded to "prove" it. That is not proof. The evidence should lead you to the answer, not vice versa.

I've wasted enough time on this.

Corona688 · 05-02-2004, 11:10 AM

By the way, are you aware that your "big dipper" has the wrong number of stars? It has a squarish thing and a line, yes(hardly a difficult pattern to produce, anyway), but it's not the big dipper.

Dilandau · 05-02-2004, 11:14 AM

Rahter consider my previous reply but here is a new one: guess what, the rings ARE in the Genesis and in the Torah. I did NOT change the method until the desired results appeared. What i did is, I fixed errors inthe program code that produced a system crash or garbage output, e.g. ovals instead of the wanted circles, until corrected. This is language barrier ("Migel LaBarriere"). You could have choosen the proper understanding of that sentence but you happened to choose the negative. This is you.

The Rings are there: at the intersection if the second and the third ring, verse 1022, there is thrice the number 360 [degrees] by the word SMK. The symbol for the hebrew Letter $MK is a ring. In this verse Jacob becomes Israel and we have a pointer to this verse in 2201, where Mars meets Saturn in order to turn it, which itself is pointed to from the age of Isaak at Jacobs birth. After the 10th ring and a little ring of 73 verses, together exactly 71 x 73 of the Torah this happens: Moses gets a new set of 10 commandments and, the special: Aaron dies again! Aaron died allready some hundred pages before that. You would think, that this is a brutal incongruency, while the Torah in Total is 10 visibility cycles of Venus (= geocentric venus year) that are the first set of the 10 commandments, with Aarons coronation exactly placed in the middle (verse 2923-2924 of 5847 total). The 10 rings of 511 verses are the second set of tablets, with it's center at Isamel's birth measured in the years of Arbram. The end of the second sets after teh final 73 writes not only about the second set, the second death of Aaron, but also measures the death of Abraham. Abraham became twice the age old, in which he got Ismael. This is a proof that the Torah is not really a sequential (hi)story but the alternating symbolical paintings on pandoras box, with a sacred viz secret message inside that i have started to reveal to the public.

Dilandau · 05-02-2004, 11:19 AM

It's not only the big dipper. The additional points do tell us a hint. Maybe to really connect the dots as I did. The practice of connecting stars to pictures is extremely old. Older than history (hi star, storing info there). Consider some points may be missing, added or shifted due to changes in copying the torah from generation to generation.

Dilandau · 05-02-2004, 11:27 AM

See the page, there are questions answered in the last part of the text. Scroll carefully through the page to find it. Program is there linked from question 4. For sure i knew what I wanted to find for some ammount. Why did Schliemann find Troya? Because he wanted to find a sunken ship? No, he wanted to find Troya. The results can only be as good as the plans. This is a magic principle and I can learn to improve it.

Please explain me why you want to get me to think? What do you earn?

Dilandau · 05-02-2004, 12:46 PM

Seems like you have missed this: Apparently you do not understand the entire material nor it's time, people, background not even closely.

Weltall · 05-02-2004, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dilandau

Seems like you have missed this: Apparently you do not understand the entire material nor it's time, people, background not even closely.

Fine words from someone who doesn't know the least bit about being Japanese and yet displays a certain obsession with them.

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05-02-2004, 11:10 AM	#43
Corona688 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Hiding from Julian ;) Posts: 5,368	By the way, are you aware that your "big dipper" has the wrong number of stars? It has a squarish thing and a line, yes(hardly a difficult pattern to produce, anyway), but it's not the big dipper.

05-02-2004, 11:14 AM	#44
Dilandau Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Munich Posts: 151	Rahter consider my previous reply but here is a new one: guess what, the rings ARE in the Genesis and in the Torah. I did NOT change the method until the desired results appeared. What i did is, I fixed errors inthe program code that produced a system crash or garbage output, e.g. ovals instead of the wanted circles, until corrected. This is language barrier ("Migel LaBarriere"). You could have choosen the proper understanding of that sentence but you happened to choose the negative. This is you. The Rings are there: at the intersection if the second and the third ring, verse 1022, there is thrice the number 360 [degrees] by the word SMK. The symbol for the hebrew Letter $MK is a ring. In this verse Jacob becomes Israel and we have a pointer to this verse in 2201, where Mars meets Saturn in order to turn it, which itself is pointed to from the age of Isaak at Jacobs birth. After the 10th ring and a little ring of 73 verses, together exactly 71 x 73 of the Torah this happens: Moses gets a new set of 10 commandments and, the special: Aaron dies again! Aaron died allready some hundred pages before that. You would think, that this is a brutal incongruency, while the Torah in Total is 10 visibility cycles of Venus (= geocentric venus year) that are the first set of the 10 commandments, with Aarons coronation exactly placed in the middle (verse 2923-2924 of 5847 total). The 10 rings of 511 verses are the second set of tablets, with it's center at Isamel's birth measured in the years of Arbram. The end of the second sets after teh final 73 writes not only about the second set, the second death of Aaron, but also measures the death of Abraham. Abraham became twice the age old, in which he got Ismael. This is a proof that the Torah is not really a sequential (hi)story but the alternating symbolical paintings on pandoras box, with a sacred viz secret message inside that i have started to reveal to the public.

05-02-2004, 11:19 AM	#45
Dilandau Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Munich Posts: 151	It's not only the big dipper. The additional points do tell us a hint. Maybe to really connect the dots as I did. The practice of connecting stars to pictures is extremely old. Older than history (hi star, storing info there). Consider some points may be missing, added or shifted due to changes in copying the torah from generation to generation.

05-02-2004, 11:27 AM	#46
Dilandau Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Munich Posts: 151	See the page, there are questions answered in the last part of the text. Scroll carefully through the page to find it. Program is there linked from question 4. For sure i knew what I wanted to find for some ammount. Why did Schliemann find Troya? Because he wanted to find a sunken ship? No, he wanted to find Troya. The results can only be as good as the plans. This is a magic principle and I can learn to improve it. Please explain me why you want to get me to think? What do you earn?

05-02-2004, 12:46 PM	#47
Dilandau Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Munich Posts: 151	Seems like you have missed this: Apparently you do not understand the entire material nor it's time, people, background not even closely.

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