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Old 01-18-2012, 08:48 PM   #11
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Whetheer you date the Pauline epistles to before or after the fall of the Temple, a manuscript dated to the second century will not change anything.
Well, I have NOT dated the Pauline writings before the Fall of the Temple. The Pauline writings [P 46] were DATED by Paleography to the mid 2nd-3rd century so nothing has changed.

My position is still very good based on Paleography. The Pauline writings are AFTER the writings of Justin Martyr c 150 CE.

People who claim that the Pauline writings were BEFORE the Fall of the Temple have nothing but their imagination and unreliable historical sources.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:10 PM   #12
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Yes I know that. I guess jewish scribes in Greek are not called rabbis either.
I am referring to the use of the term in English versions of the gospels.

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By the way, it isn't likely texts that call Jesus a rabbi could be from before 70CE because the term wasn't used yet. I wonder how rabbi is translated into Greek because I can only rely on the English.
Paul never refers to Jesus as rabbi, so that doesn't apply here.

The term in Greek is ῥαββί = "r'abbi"

See http://concordances.org/greek/rabbi_4461.htm
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:28 PM   #13
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Yes I know that. I guess jewish scribes in Greek are not called rabbis either.
Er, what do you know? A rabbi is not a scribe in any language. :huh:
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Old 01-19-2012, 03:34 AM   #15
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Rare biblical texts hit the road

According to him, one of the sections is a portion of Romans that dates to the middle of the second century. If this is accurate, where does this put the approximate date of other books relative to it. Does it change anything?
Of more interest is the novel expression 'Jesus' household language' and the interest of the Vatican in this notion.
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Nice and soft as the cloak of Peter who deserves the most, and I think they started knitting it long before they put it on him too. Because you know what? the opposition kept poking holes in it that they had to mend to make it Infallible as they say.
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Perhaps our resident psychiatrist, rlogan, could spend some time analyzing your hangups and silly swipes.

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By the way, it isn't likely texts that call Jesus a rabbi could be from before 70CE because the term wasn't used yet.
A groundless hypothesis that allows off the hook people foolish enough to call themselves 'rabbi' today.
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What is that supposed to mean??

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A groundless hypothesis that allows off the hook people foolish enough to call themselves 'rabbi' today.
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What is that supposed to mean??

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A groundless hypothesis that allows off the hook people foolish enough to call themselves 'rabbi' today.
What it says.
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