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aa5874 · 11-29-2012, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvduv

You know perfectly well that I was specifically referring to this passage about the ritual and not the entire text.
Beyond that, you know you have no original manuscript and no evidence it was even written in the second century. You know you are taking the church's claim about the text uncritically for dating it.
You know that you are engaging in spin and inference based on unproven church claims dating the text to the second century. Why not admit these facts and be honest?
And please don't answer questions with questions.

These are NOT questions.

The writings of Justin appear to have far more data about the 2nd century Jesus cult than virtually every Jesus cult writer.

1. From Justin we learn the leader of the congregation was called the President--Not Bishop.

2. From Justin we learn that the name Christian was NOT only applied to the Jesus cult.

3. Justin shows that the 2nd century Jesus cult was functioning similar to the Jesus cult in Acts of the Apostles.

4. From Justin we learn that the 2nd century Jesus cult used an ANONYMOUS Jesus story that was believed to have been composed by the Apostles.

5. Baptism [Washing] was extremely important in the 2nd century Jesus cult.

6. Sharing of Wealth was also practised.

Amazingly, Justin Martyr's 2nd century Jesus cult is very similar to the Essenes who practised ritual baptism and shared their wealth with the needy.

Duvduv · 11-29-2012, 08:34 AM

it was YOU who replied to my posting about the prepositional phrases in the passage as being interpolations in a text having nothing to do with "Christians," and YOU go off on a tangent in reply. It makes no sense, as usual.

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Originally Posted by aa5874

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duvduv

You know perfectly well that I was specifically referring to this passage about the ritual and not the entire text.
Beyond that, you know you have no original manuscript and no evidence it was even written in the second century. You know you are taking the church's claim about the text uncritically for dating it.
You know that you are engaging in spin and inference based on unproven church claims dating the text to the second century. Why not admit these facts and be honest?
And please don't answer questions with questions.

These are NOT questions.

The writings of Justin appear to have far more data about the 2nd century Jesus cult than virtually every Jesus cult writer.

1. From Justin we learn the leader of the congregation was called the President--Not Bishop.

2. From Justin we learn that the name Christian was NOT only applied to the Jesus cult.

3. Justin shows that the 2nd century Jesus cult was functioning similar to the Jesus cult in Acts of the Apostles.

4. From Justin we learn that the 2nd century Jesus cult used an ANONYMOUS Jesus story that was believed to have been composed by the Apostles.

5. Baptism [Washing] was extremely important in the 2nd century Jesus cult.

6. Sharing of Wealth was also practised.

Amazingly, Justin Martyr's 2nd century Jesus cult is very similar to the Essenes who practised ritual baptism and shared their wealth with the needy.

outhouse · 11-29-2012, 09:21 AM

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It was because it performed an important economic function (banking and insurance) that Christianity grew and continued.

The ideology played an important function in relation to the primary economic function. It kept people from questioning that they were placing their faith in the President (Priest) and would lose their money entirely if he was dishonest. The President had to pretend to be the representative of an all good God or at least the representative of the son of an all good god to assure the customers that he would not cheat them out of their money, but would use the money to help them when they were in need.

Thats not why it was so popular and continued

It offered free health care, but the rich helping the poor was just a matter of survival and it was modified from when jesus walked and healed.

without handouts and this shared meal, jesus would have starved. it was survival for jesus. remember jesus movement was at the dinner table, he spread his message taught and healed to survive, the movement evolved from there.

Composer · 12-10-2012, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by outhouse

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It was because it performed an important economic function (banking and insurance) that Christianity grew and continued.

The ideology played an important function in relation to the primary economic function. It kept people from questioning that they were placing their faith in the President (Priest) and would lose their money entirely if he was dishonest. The President had to pretend to be the representative of an all good God or at least the representative of the son of an all good god to assure the customers that he would not cheat them out of their money, but would use the money to help them when they were in need.

Thats not why it was so popular and continued

It offered free health care, but the rich helping the poor was just a matter of survival and it was modified from when jesus walked and healed.

without handouts and this shared meal, jesus would have starved. it was survival for jesus. remember jesus movement was at the dinner table, he spread his message taught and healed to survive, the movement evolved from there.

The Original & Earliest jebus beliefs were NON-trinitarian!

The trinity formulation is a Johnny Come Lately corruption of those Original & Earliest beliefs!

sotto voce · 12-11-2012, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PhilosopherJay

Justin Martyr or his editor gives us a description of the technology of Christianity

The technology of the Roman Empire, actually.

The technology of greed.

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