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Why don’t you make your case that the teacher of Righteousness mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls is evidence for a historical Jesus? Go ahead. And don't forget to be coherent. |
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Loomis, thanks for the morning chuckles!
And regarding AA's quoting of Justin. "There we have it, gentleman. What more evidence do we need?" |
02-18-2010, 02:18 AM | #33 |
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Was Jesus The Teacher Of Righteousness.
From the following: http://www.duke.edu/~goranson/jannaeus.pdf
Alexander Jannaeus was described in Qumran texts as the “Wicked Priest.” The name Absalom in Pesher Habakkuk 8: 9 refers to the brother of Jannaeus with that name. Judah the Essene, known from Josephus (War 1:78-80; Ant. 15:371-9), was described as the “Teacher of Righteousness.” |
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WTF does ALL THIS mean? Evolved storytelling. The myth that grew and grew. The biggest hoax ever perpetrated onto mankind. Did you at any time buy into it? You counted the words? :lol: |
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Jesus: One Hundred Years Before Christ (or via: amazon.co.uk) |
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"compelling facts"? What facts can be extracted from a myth? I hope I'm not getting you in over your head concerning this myth of Christ. |
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What does he say? Care to give us a synopsis? Imho if there is any link between the DSS and Jesus/Josua, it would come by way of the Damascus Document, the Manual of Discipline, the Rule of the Congregation, Zechariah LXX, and the Letter to the Hebrews. The common element is the idea of two messiahs (the kingly Messiah of Israel and the priestly Messiah of Aaron) – where Jesus/Josua is half of the team. If you have no idea what I’m talking about then here’s a link that will expose you to the idea of the two messiahs. Qumran's two Messiahs The two messiahs appear in Zechariah LXX. They are for example, the two anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth (v 4:14). If you read 3:1 and compare it to Hebrews 4:14, you will see that Jesus/Joshua is the same High Priest character. He is one of the two messiahs. At least as far as the author of Hebrews is concerned. ------------- Also note that the robe and crown of thorns from Matthew 27:28-29 is probably a reference to the robe and crown in Zechariah 3:5-6 LXX. ------------- You could also argue that Matthew 1:21 and 1:23 are allusions to the two messiahs – where the angel says “you will call his name Jesus” and “they will call his name Emmanuel.” |
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02-19-2010, 12:17 AM | #39 |
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I strongly recommend Ellegard.
A Jesus 100 years before Pilate is not the Gospel Jesus. The Gospel Jesus is therefore mythical. A proto Jesus - teacher of Righteousness is also not the Gospel Jesus. What is this false distinction about proposing a guy 100 BCE as a root and this therefore falsifying the gospel Jesus as a myth? And we have a separate Pauline Jesus in heaven tradition? And we have Mark as clearly a homeric play? |
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Here are a few reasons why I believe Jesus is a complete myth.
There is no external historical confirmation for the N/T stories. The N/T stories are internally contradictory. There are natural explanations for the origin of the Jesus myth. [derived from the O/T] The miracle reports make the tale unhistorical. |
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