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Old 02-02-2005, 01:47 PM   #21
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AFAIK Spinoza was mostly influenced by Euclid. And Einstein was a deist (clockmaker notion of God) which is nowhere found in Hinduism. Judaism is most definitely not like Hinduism, since a central role in Judaism is played by "prophets" and "prophecies" whereas these are a very minor part of mainstream Hinduism. Taoism may have some allegiance to Hindu ideas (though I doubt that the ideas came from India per se) since it appears in the context of a story where the author of the Tao Te Ching journeyed to the West (India or Tibet I suppose) after writing it. Sufism has some similarities with Hindu mysticism (but many mystical paths are similar) however Sufis trace its origin directly to a post-Muhammadan group. And it has a greater emphasis on "ecstasy" which is a minority Hindu mystical viewpoint (which tends to emphasize "bliss").
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Old 02-02-2005, 04:14 PM   #22
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Hinduism never starts off as polytheism and ends up as "monism" these are silly terms. Vedas state clearly all these Gods are simply different names of a force known as "brahm"...and these "gods" are never separate from the self.
please study the advaitha school of vedantha.iTs just monoism.



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Hinduism advocates no such thing. The Vashista and Apasthamba Dharma sutras clearly states that meat and even beef is allowed in Hinduism.
well major hindu schools are advaitha,visistathvaidha,dwaidha,saiva,saktha and kabaliga.Other schools do exist-but mainline hinduism falls within these 6 schools.They do have such belief.



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You can say they were heavily influenced by Hindu thought yes...but "secret" hindus...I'm not sure?
whole world is hindu.Many dont recognize it,many dont realize it,many dont know it,many dont accept it.Denying your father doesnt change your status.Your father acknowledges you.whatever you do he will acknolwledge you.whatever religion you belong to you are hindu.


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No free wiill? You are incorrect, since Yoga and meditation is there so that the will can gain strength.

You are also incorrect, God is NEVER deemed anything other than the perfected Self in classical Hinduism.
self is God.Yes.Self guides you and not you guide self.when self guides you its fate.simple.


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Silly reason...there is an increased divorce rate in arranged marriages..and an arranged marriage does not guarantee zero divorce ratess....you must be drunk when you wrote this...
I accept mistake.It isnt zero, i meant a low divorce rate.It wont be more than 5% in India.But thats ten times lower than that of europe.
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AFAIK Spinoza was mostly influenced by Euclid. And Einstein was a deist (clockmaker notion of God) which is nowhere found in Hinduism. Judaism is most definitely not like Hinduism, since a central role in Judaism is played by "prophets" and "prophecies" whereas these are a very minor part of mainstream Hinduism. Taoism may have some allegiance to Hindu ideas (though I doubt that the ideas came from India per se) since it appears in the context of a story where the author of the Tao Te Ching journeyed to the West (India or Tibet I suppose) after writing it. Sufism has some similarities with Hindu mysticism (but many mystical paths are similar) however Sufis trace its origin directly to a post-Muhammadan group. And it has a greater emphasis on "ecstasy" which is a minority Hindu mystical viewpoint (which tends to emphasize "bliss").
spinoza was monoist.Hinduism is monoism.so he is hindu.Einstein believed in fate and pantheism.Hinduism is pantheism.Judaism might not be hinduism (forgeting yahewah and shiva similarities} but kabbalah judaism and hinduism are similiar.
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Old 02-02-2005, 05:29 PM   #24
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My parents and her parents did the arranging.Did they exercise discrimination?Yes,they saw whether our character and likes and dislikes will match.They saw whether the family had an unblemished history.They compared education and our occupation and physical appearance.

Is that discrimination?I dont know.
Well I'd say they may or may not have exercised discrimination, The possibility is there. You can hardly say arranged marriages are discrimination-free, just because you outsource the selection task.
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please study the advaitha school of vedantha.iTs just monoism.
I don't need to study anyone else's interpretation, I read the ancient texts myself, practice and reach my own conclusions...I follow my own school...there are no multiple Gods, just names of God, as stated in the Rig Veda as well as the Puranas, and the term Monism isn't even a Hindu one...Brahma vidya is considered the science of the self.




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well major hindu schools are advaitha,visistathvaidha,dwaidha,saiva,saktha and kabaliga.Other schools do exist-but mainline hinduism falls within these 6 schools.They do have such belief.
Major Hindu schools are nothing more than interpretations of works by Brahma Rishis such as Vashista to whom the Dharma sutra of his name is attributed..

Now if BrahmaRishi Vashista who respects another great Rishi Apasthambha, says eating meat is okay, I definately take note, I couldn't care less about other lesser yogis who open their schools.

Also Shaiva and Shakta schools are under Tantric schools and the Devi Bhagwatam clearly states that one should eat meat, so that said, you are wrong both ways in your knowledge of schools and what they teach.








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self is God.Yes.Self guides you and not you guide self.when self guides you its fate.simple.
You are talking in terms of duality when there is no duality...there is no self vs. you...you are the self and the self is you...simple...
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Well I'd say they may or may not have exercised discrimination, The possibility is there. You can hardly say arranged marriages are discrimination-free, just because you outsource the selection task.
what do you mean by discrimination in this context?what parameters of discrimination will you accept as justified while objecting to other parameters?explain please
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Default Arranged Marriages

Arranged Marriages is not limited to Hinduism as pointed out earlier.

Secondly it does not in guarantee low divorce rates.

Think about it this way. The chances of the relationship(marriage) lasting is more among people who know each other and have developed expectations, realised limitations.

The reason for low divorce rate in India (predominantly Hindu) can be attributed to society(stigmas) , female security issue, legal complexities and realities. No real reason from religion.
These above realities are not relevant in the Western Context..


The probablity of an arranged marriage failing is high when the parties involved have no or very little idea about each other. Quite a few urban indians resort to courtship before marriage to realise compatibility and therefore raise the chances. This situation does work similar to the western concept of friends relatives etc introducing mutual friends and relatives.

So I don;t think there is a correlation between Hinduism , Arranged Marriages and Divorce rates.

On the other hand Hinduism and its vast heritage contains lots of wisdom and excellent thoughts..and has contributed to human civilization. Many of these are still hold relevance today and form an important part of accumulated human knowledge.


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Legal Definition according to the Supreme Court of India

In a 1966 ruling, the Supreme Court of India defined the Hindu faith as follows for legal purposes:

1. Acceptance of the Vedas with reverence as the highest authority in religious and philosophic matters and acceptance with reverence of Vedas by Hindu thinkers and philosophers as the sole foundation of Hindu philosophy.

2. Spirit of tolerance and willingness to understand and appreciate the opponent's point of view based on the realization that truth is many-sided.
3. Acceptance of great world rhythm-vast periods of creation, maintenance and dissolution follow each other in endless succession-by all six systems of Hindu philosophy.
4. Acceptance by all systems of Hindu philosophy of the belief in rebirth and pre-existence.
5. Recognition of the fact that the means or ways to salvation are many.
6. Realization of the truth that numbers of Gods to be worshiped may be large, yet there being Hindus who do not believe in the worshiping of idols.
7. Unlike other religions, or religious creeds, Hindu religion's not being tied down to any definite set of philosophic concepts, as such.
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You need to bone up on your comparative linguistics. Sanskrit is just one of the hundreds of languages of the Indo-European family. It is by no means the oldest nor it is the only so-called "sacred" language.

Indo-European Languages

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I think the principal difference between monism and monotheism is that monism has an implicit single entity (e.g. the Tao) whereas monotheism has an explicit single entity (God). However, all religions have both an implicit and an explicit school. Some people prefer subtle and esoteric practices whereas other people prefer clearcut and unambiguous practices. Hence there are the laws of Manu and the Dharma Shastras in Hinduism, but also the myriad bhakti traditions. In Islam there are the Koran/Sunnah but also the Sufi peers. In Judaism, the torah and the mishnah but also the Kabbalah. Confucius and Lao Tzu, the Yin and the Yang, you might say. By identifying monism and Hinduism, you may be partially correct (today monism is more prominent within Hinduism rather than more explicit theistic practices) but it is a gross simplification really. The Greek conception of "Logos" is pure monism and I do not believe it arises from any Indian source. The only difference is that the Greek thought is somewhat forgotten whereas the Indian thought is accepted by people today.
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Arranged Marriages is not limited to Hinduism as pointed out earlier.Secondly it does not in guarantee low divorce rates.Think about it this way. The chances of the relationship(marriage) lasting is more among people who know each other and have developed expectations, realised limitations.

The reason for low divorce rate in India (predominantly Hindu) can be attributed to society(stigmas) , female security issue, legal complexities and realities. No real reason from religion.
These above realities are not relevant in the Western Context..
millions of Indians live in USA and europe and all over the world.They dont have high divorce rates.And also society,female security all are interconnected to the hindu religion.Law is not an issue.Females can easily get a divorce in India.Further many females work in India and one even became the prime minister of the country.So female security too is not a barrier to divorce.Social stigmas exist but are part of the religion.

The only thing that stands in the seperation of couples in India is the hindu culture.Thats the first major hurdle to divorce.If you remove it everything else is secondary.
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