aa5874

Is it not also claimed that there is a presumed consensus that Jesus was a figure of history??

Do you not argue AGAINST the supposed consensus and support the argument that Jesus had no real existence??

Surely, if Jesus did NOT exist then it is also likely that Paul was NOT a 1st century character who preached about Jesus Christ.

I will NOT be sucked into making any Presumptions about Paul when the adundance of evidence of antiquity CLEARLY places Paul OUTSIDE the 1st century.

Thousands of texts about Jesus, the disciples and Paul have been found yet NOT one of them are dated to the 1st century and ALL the close acquaintances of Paul literally VANISHED from the face of the earth and left NO trace of their actual existence in the 1st century.

aa5874

Please, Toto!!!! Why is it you are so illogical??? The "letters" between Seneca and Paul were NOT considered forgeries WHEN, WHEN they were written. People of Antiquity would have been DUPED and thought they were 1st century letters.

In the 4th century Jerome mentioned the Letters between Seneca and Paul and ACCEPTED them as AUTHENTIC and Credible and used them as evidence of history of Paul.

"De Viris Illustribus" 12 The Forged letters were introduced to Mis-lead people into thinking that Paul did actually exist and Personally KNEW Seneca before c 70 CE and we see that Jerome did NOT realize or did NOT claim they were Bogus.

This is PRECISELY what is EXPECTED if Paul was NOT a 1st century character.

Well, your statement is most fascinating. You now ADMIT you have NO hard evidence for your claims for an early Paul. You have NOTHING yet continue to ridicule me because I have HARD EVIDENCE for my claims.

You knew all along and for YEARS that you had NO HARD evidence.

This is unacceptable.

I have HARD EVIDENCE. Please examine the DATED NT Manuscripts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...stament_papyri

Toto, look at the HARD EVIDENCE.

There is NO NT manuscript DATED to the 1st century BECAUSE they were NONE.

angelo

I agree. We have no originals, no contemporary writings to confirm the original, not a single live witness to the HJ, no one knew anything about him or the time of his alleged earthly existence, No place venerated by christians including his birth and place of death or tomb. It was only much later that pieces of the true cross, tomb ect were claimed to have been discovered. It all falls into place the only conclusion that can be reached: It was myth from day one.

aa5874

And not only Jesus but ALL his supposed close associates VANISHED into thin air and all we are left with are FAKE authorship.

sotto voce

Would Christians venerate times and places?

Huon

Some persons pay a travel to Jerusalem, to see the Golgotha. They call that a pilgrimage. But they are certainly believers in the Anti.

sotto voce

The Antichrist?

Huon

The Antiphonary.

sotto voce

Close, anyway.

angelo

No? Look at Fatima and many other places on earth that are venerated today because some fundamental catholic deluded peasant claimed a vision.