Xrikcus

Look, you'll get nowhere in an argument if you start accusing your opponent of not wanting things to be true. The argument was not about whether Hindus have influenced things, it was the implication that it was the earliest influence, which appears to not be the case based on reading both sides of the argument here (I have no knowledge of my own on the matter).

Dharma

No, the question is whether there was/is PHYSICAL evidence of Hindu civilization being older since Hindu civilzation was oral and this oral tradition was defended by me since it means they had what meditation calls a "pure mind" and could put to memory a vast amount of knowledge, they would hold conference several times a year in holy spots to discuss any new knowledge and put that to memory and take it back to wherever they came from in India...this allowed new knowledge to be quickly updated, disseminated quickly.

There might be evidence of the origins of these people themselves from their own oral traditions...since Jericho is supposedly mentioned in teh TRANSLATED bible and is archeologically considered the oldest city in current findings, then we will try to discern the origins of many of the Biblical oral traditions stuff.

http://www.headcoverings-by-devorah....NaKhIndex.html
11:1 Vayehi chol-ha'aretz safah echat udevarim achadim.
The whole earth had one language, with conforming words.

2 Vayehi benos'am mikedem vayimtze'u vik'ah be'eretz Shin'ar vayeshvu sham.
When they journeyed FROM THE EAST, they found a valley in the land of Shinar and they settled there.

in other words, according to oral traditions of the semitic peoples themselves they record the fact that after Noah's flood, in which Noah supposedly landed on some very high mountain which they called the Ararat range, they moved from this area of this HUGE mountain range and moved FROM THE EAST not TO the east..hmm....

French Prometheus

I'm a moral relativist. So my answer to your question is : they don't have "natural" rights any more than I or you do.

French Prometheus

Fortunately, this shouldn't be a moral issue anymore since we have efficient contraception.

Where did I say that it was "great"? I think the main virtues emphasized in Gilgamesh are courage and strength of will. That aside, this book wasn't supposed to be a kind of Bible.

What do you have to say about the Sumerian legal document I mentioned?

That's completely off topic here. If you don't see what was so "great" about the French revolution, then I suggest you take a high school-level history class. I must say I'm a little disappointed here as I had the idea that you weren't that ignorant about these things.

French Prometheus

First, I never said that Indian civilization wasn't great. I just said that it wasn't the oldest or the greatest (of course this depends on how you define the greatness of a civilization and it's a dangerous game that too often led to racism, ethnocentrism and colonialism).
Second, you assert a lot of things here without giving any evidence for it. Can you prove that the Indian contribution to science was greater than that of the Greeks? Can you clearly show that Hinduism had any direct influence on the development of modern biology or physics (I'm a physicist myself so don't try to give a crappy mysticist interpretation of quantum physics)? Can you give real arguments/proofs instead of merely asserting things?

FALSE.
The word barbarian comes from Greek. The barbaroi were those who couldn't speak Greek. You're either very dishonest here or very ignorant.

This is racism (or ethnocentricism) with a good dose of ignorance. The Sumerians invented writing, the wheel and the concept of "state" at a time when Hinduists were extremely primitive. Where are the ruins of 5000 y/o Vedic Indian cities (I mean real cities with planning not merely a large village)?

Where's the evidence of the antiquity and superiority of Vedic civilization?

I was referring to rights. Are they equal in rights?

Mmkay...What has that to do with my question? Let me repeat it :
Are people equal (in rights) whatever group/caste/tribe they were born in?
What the fuck has that to do with having presidential powers?

Your insults won't help you make a point. Calling me an "intellectual lightweight" is funny though.

sampath

Can you say where physics will be without zero?Isnt that a contribution?The concepts of trigonometry also originated from india.



There wasnt a time when hindus were primitive.There was a time when entire humanity was primitive and culture grew and hinduism evolved.When hinduism evolved hindus were far more advanced than the rest of the world.Indian vedic city ruins can still be found in mohanjedaro and harappa.


men and women have equal rights.BTW in france do girls have the rights to wear hijab to school?


People have all the rights to do whatever they want under hindu system irrespective of caste or tribe.They had all rights,yes.

premjan

If you are a moral relativist then the question you asked (prove that animals have rights) has no real answer anyway.

premjan

I suppose a legal document that defended the rights of people not to have their property grabbed is good in principle (on the other hand the nobles got their heads grabbed in the French revolution in the name of mob rights. Was that fair to them?) Of course in the very long run the emergence of democracy (which did not last in the case of the French revolution -- wasn't Napoleon after that?) may have been foreshadowed by the French revolution.

I don't argue that Sumeria did not have its good points. So did India.

premjan

I had a friend called Barbara and I believe the name "Barbar" means "man with a beard" and "Barbara" would mean the wife of such a man. Presumably barbarians did not shave so the beard thing was unavoidable.

French Prometheus

Assuming you're right on both accounts, you claim that these contributions are greater than those of the Greeks because...?
As a side note, the funny thing here is that a Christian poster tried repeatedly on that board to prove that modern science could only emerge thanks to Catholicism.

That's bullshit. Let me say it again : B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.

What's your evidence that the Indus civilization is linked to the later Vedic culture (apart from the fact that the primitive Vedic settlers may have absorbed some of the cultural items of their Harappan predecessors).

What has that to do with this thread? If you're genuinely interested in knowing this "hijab" issue in France, I can point you toward several earlier threads where I explain it. If you're just desperate to find a cop-out because people don't buy your Hinduism-is-the-one-true-religion act, then I won't waste my time.

Why do so many Hindus disagree with you? Why is your version of Hinduism the true one?