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aupmanyav · 08-15-2011, 07:37 AM

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I think you've just eliminated the world, since "credible" tends to be subjective.

'Credible' is necessarily subjective assessment to help me arrive at my conclusions.

Solo · 08-15-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

This thread is about Space Aliens. Jesus of the NT was a SPACE ALIEN, a UFO.

Examine the words of Jesus in gMark before he was crucified.

Mark 13.

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.....Then shall they see the Son of man coming in the CLOUDS....

Mark 14.62

And now listen to the UFO called Jesus who will come in CLOUDS. In the NT, Jesus claimed he was from ABOVE.

John 8

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....And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath, I AM from ABOVE, Ye are of this world, I am NOT of this world...

Jesus was a UFO in the NT.

It is DOCUMENTED in the NT. Jesus was a SPACE ALIEN from ABOVE.

Not necessarily: these look like articulations of mental states in which DP/DR (Depersonalization/Derealization) figure prominently. The suggestion that Jesus is from another world were meant to validate the percieved strangeness and unreality of this world and the idea of "above" was transparently suggesting Jesus "power" to turn things around for the sufferer.

Milder forms of both DP and DR are very common. Everyone who has been drunk or high knows one form of it. In mental disorders such as anxiety, dissociation, borderline personality, bipolarity, schizophrenia, the feelings are more pronounced and persistent.

Jiri

Doug Shaver · 08-16-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

Dave31, I figure that students of New Testament history are not required to study the case for mythicism before receiving their degrees for largely the same reason medical students are not required to study the case for phrenology before becoming medical doctors.

I'm guessing geology students were not required to study Wegener's theory of continental drift, either, before the late 1950s. Wegener was wrong in some details as to how the continents move, but, as we now know: nevertheless, they move.

aa5874 · 08-16-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Solo

Not necessarily: these look like articulations of mental states in which DP/DR (Depersonalization/Derealization) figure prominently. The suggestion that Jesus is from another world were meant to validate the percieved strangeness and unreality of this world and the idea of "above" was transparently suggesting Jesus "power" to turn things around for the sufferer.

Milder forms of both DP and DR are very common. Everyone who has been drunk or high knows one form of it. In mental disorders such as anxiety, dissociation, borderline personality, bipolarity, schizophrenia, the feelings are more pronounced and persistent.

Jiri

What you say may not necessarily be true. "Above" may mean that the author is claiming Jesus was from "Heaven", the same place where the unidentified "reside".

Lu 24:51 -

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And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

In the NT, Jesus was a Space Alien.

ApostateAbe · 08-16-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

Dave31, I figure that students of New Testament history are not required to study the case for mythicism before receiving their degrees for largely the same reason medical students are not required to study the case for phrenology before becoming medical doctors.

I'm guessing geology students were not required to study Wegener's theory of continental drift, either, before the late 1950s. Wegener was wrong in some details as to how the continents move, but, as we now know: nevertheless, they move.

So we are in agreement.

aa5874 · 08-16-2011, 09:15 PM

We know that Jesus was a Space Alien in the NT from gJohn.

John 6:38 -

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For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me....

ApostateAbe · 08-16-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

We know that Jesus was a Space Alien in the NT from gJohn.

John 6:38 -

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For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me....

OK, yes, thank you.

aa5874 · 08-16-2011, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

We know that Jesus was a Space Alien in the NT from gJohn.

John 6:38 -

OK, yes, thank you.

This thread is about Space Aliens and Jesus was a Space Alien/UFO in the NT.

I have heard that Space Aliens and UFOs have vanished without a trace when they go in space or towards the clouds. Jesus of the NT vanished in the Four Canonised Myth fables After he went in Space.

So, Examine Acts of the Apostles.

Acts 1

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9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel.......

Doug Shaver · 08-17-2011, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

Dave31, I figure that students of New Testament history are not required to study the case for mythicism before receiving their degrees for largely the same reason medical students are not required to study the case for phrenology before becoming medical doctors.

I'm guessing geology students were not required to study Wegener's theory of continental drift, either, before the late 1950s. Wegener was wrong in some details as to how the continents move, but, as we now know: nevertheless, they move.

So we are in agreement.

Yeah, until we get to the part about "for largely the same reason."

Dave31 · 08-18-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostateAbe

Opposition to bad ideas serves a beneficial social purpose. Perversely fraudulent pseudosciences, ideologies and other misleading ways of thinking have a small effect on society only as long as they are respectively matched by counter-arguments and criticisms. I had my mind changed away from Acharya S's ideas by a critical thinker, but revolutions of thought are not even required--only a little doubt can dampen the motivation to promote bad ideas. For those people who need those bad ideas, then, yeah, obviously there is nothing that anyone can do to reverse it, but even people like Dave31 can be influenced further from the extreme in belief and evangelistic behavior. Some time ago, he wanted to found a religion centered on the ideas of Acharya S, but an extremist ideologue knows the strength of the current flowing against his own arguments after he or she jumps in the river, and that counter-current is the continual wash of critical reactions to Acharya S's claims wherever he takes them online.

When it comes to the work by Acharya S, you and a few others here are acting like intellectually dishonest, fundamentalist pseudo-skeptics. You're still mad because you lost a debate many years ago so you blame it all on Acharya S, rather than take any responsibility yourself. Ever since then you've been incapable of being objective or honest about Acharya's work. Your biases and prejudice are as transparent as glass - you love anything negative said about her and her work and hate anything positive said about her in any way. That's why you still obsess over that years old and removed Price review that he no longer supports. Besides, she even stated in the recent radio interview with Price that Christ Conspiracy was never written for scholars.

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"Some time ago, he wanted to found a religion centered on the ideas of Acharya S..."

WTF? Seriously? This is news to me. People like ApostateAbe and GakuseiDon come here and spread whatever malicious smears they can and they are never held accountable for it ... well they are when it's applied to others but, when it's directed at Acharya S it's okay (misogyny???). They've both been here since 2002 and 2003 yet, they're still using the same old, worn out criticisms of her first book, which is about 12 years old now. They've never read anything since then and they certainly can't acknowledge that she may have a single point correct.

I'd just like to see more people call them out on it around here. If I attempt to set the record straight I end up with another warning notice. The biases here against Acharya S is way over the top at times and those people need to be held responsible for it. There's always valid criticism against any author but a lot of what gets tossed at Acharya S around here is an embarrassment to freethinkers.

Her work offers an Occam's razor explanation for the origins and evolution of religious concepts with similarities and differences due to environments, cultures and eras but, nobody here at this forum is ever able to have an adult conversation about that due to all the intellectual dishonesty and fundamentalist pseudo-skepticism. We can always count on ApostateAbe or GakuseiDon to bring their Acharya trash to any thread discussing her work ruining any opportunity for a mature discussion. I would think many here would appreciate such a discussion but, it has never been allowed to take place.

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“At Stonehenge in England and Carnac in France, in Egypt and Yucatan, across the whole face of the earth are found mysterious ruins of ancient monuments, monuments with astronomical significance. These relics of other times are as accessible as the American Midwest and as remote as the jungles of Guatemala. Some of them were built according to celestial alignments; others were actually precision astronomical observatories... Careful observation of the celestial rhythms was compellingly important to early peoples, and their expertise, in some respects, was not equaled in Europe until three thousand years later.”

- Dr. Edwin Krupp, Astronomer & Director of the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles

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"I find it undeniable that many of the epic heroes and ancient patriarchs and matriarchs of the Old Testament were personified stars, planets, and constellations."

- Dr. Robert Price

I'll ask again for the 3rd time, Find errors in these articles and I'll be sure to e-mail them to Acharya for correction:

Rebuttal to Dr. Chris Forbes concerning 'Zeitgeist, Part 1'

Were George Washington and Thomas Jefferson Jesus Mythicists?

Astrotheology of the Ancients

The Origins of Christianity

The New Zeitgeist Part 1 Sourcebook (2010)

The Mythicist Position video

How about this idea, find an error and win a gold star.

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