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Why don't you deal wirth the evidence?

Who dismissed Pilate? Who replaced him? Who had the task of putting the statue in the temple? Who dithered about it? Who had the task of dealing with Aretas when he pissed off H.Antipas? Etc.

The evidence is as plain as the nose on your face. The answers in case you missed them were Syria, Syria, Syria, Syria, and Syria.

You want someone to hold your hand. What you should be doing is looking at the evidence.


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Oh and
What happened between the time H.Agrippa carked it and Judea was placed under procurators?? You know, the time necessary for the news to reach Rome and for Claudius to make a decision which is then sent to Syria.


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S.C.Carlson

(Emphasis added by me.) What is "carked it" supposed to mean in this context? None of the senses (all marked obsolete) in the OED fit, but according to this page, it is Australian slang for "died." Is that what's meant?

Stephen

yalla

Yep, any time you want Australian translated just ask.
cheers
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spin

It's sometimes hard to recall which slang you colonials use.

It's similar to "snuffed it", "shuffled off this mortal coil" (to be Shakespearean about it), "gone to meet 'is maker", "curled up 'is toes", "defunct", or, to use a visual reference operated by Jimmy Durante in the film "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World", "kicked the bucket". However you may want to say it, any thought of this king doing anything after the referenced event is out of the question.


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Ben C Smith

That was all before Agrippa, who held a kingdom again, not a subsidiary province. What I am seeking is evidence that Judea would have defaulted to Syria after Agrippa.

If it is so obvious, why did you miss it the first time through? If it is so obvious, why did Syme miss it? (I am quite certain that he could answer all of the above questions to your satisfaction.)

I have asked you repeatedly for the evidence. You keep throwing things out that predate the kingdom under Agrippa.

What I think is that you want me to just take your word for it.

To be clear: You and I agree that between Archelaus and Agrippa Judea was under Syria. You and I agree that after Agrippa Judea was under its own procurators. What I am seeking is evidence that after Agrippa Judea defaulted to Syria for a little while. Your repeated insistence that Judea could have, should have, or would have defaulted to Syria does not mean that it did. I do not want to take your word for it, no offense intended. I want primary evidence that it did. Even if the evidence is just some precedent that kingdoms becoming provinces first default to nearby senatorial provinces, or some such. Please give me something.

Ben.

Ben C Smith

I do not know. Josephus does not tell us, AFAICT, and I know of no other evidence either way.

Monarchies usually have internal mechanisms that kick in if the king is killed and the heir is absent for the time being. Rome, for example, neither crumbled nor defaulted to any outside country when Vitellius was slain and Vespasian was in Alexandria.

Now we are getting somewhere. What decision did Claudius send to Syria? Source please, and if it had to do with taking over Judea for a brief period I think we can lay this all to rest.

Ben.

Doug Shaver

What made it so?

Did only Christians support it? Did all Christians support it?

If neither, then what made it "basically a Christian movement"?

countjulian

Good point. I like Burry's summary of the church and slavery.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...LAT/23*.html#2

Gamera

Virtually all its leaders were self-proclaimed Christians making arguments based on Christian ethics, often citing the bible.

If that doesn't make it a Christian movement, I don't know what could.