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Old 10-11-2011, 07:08 PM   #61
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It makes sense psychologically and culturally for Jesus to be vague at times.
Why? How does it make sense? Why shouldn't Jesus, as the son of God, not apply Occam's razor to his teachings and put everything clearly, succinctly and parsimoniously as possible?

Vague for psychological and cultural reasons is too vague.
Cult leader psychology. Don't have time to write a long post about it now, though. Sorry.
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Cult leader psychology. Don't have time to write a long post about it now, though. Sorry.
Whatever. I'm skeptical that you know what you're talking about.

Wouldn't mind having my mind changed, however.
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You're still saying suggest. What will convince you that Jesus, the son of David, was the Messiah according to Mark?

Jesus stated he's the Messiah in Mark. I'm not even talking about the first or last chapter. Check again the verses I mentioned.
Something tells me that if *you* had written gMark, it would've turned out differently.

I don't think you understand my point at all. So never mind.
Don't need to change anything.

The bit of vagueness there is due to Jesus himself being vague, not the author or whatever. The author of Mark believed Jesus to be the Messiah, thus the verses.

It makes sense psychologically and culturally for Jesus to be vague at times. Claiming to be the Messiah meant something big in the sight of other Jews.
Jesus was NOT known PUBLICLY to the Jews as a Messiah during his ENTIRE life on earth in gMark.

It was Peter who claimed in SECRET that Jesus was the Messiah and then Jesus would MAINTAIN the Secret Status and FORBID the SECRET to be Exposed.

The day Jesus was crucified in gMark was the first time he went PUBLIC claiming he was the Messiah and Son of God and he was REJECTED and EXECUTED within a matter of hours.

In gMark, Jesus was a SECRET Messiah and the SECRET was INITIATED by Peter.

Peter would LATER PUBLICLY DENY that he ever knew Jesus on the same day Jesus went PUBLIC for the very first time and was QUICKLY REJECTED and Crucified.

gMark's Jesus UP TO MARK 16.8 was BAD NEWS.

gMark's Jesus up to Mark 16.8 is the PERFECT HJ argument Killer.

It was the resurrected MYTH Jesus from Mark 16.9 who COMMISSIONED the disciples to PREACH the Gospel, the GOOD NEWS, to every creature throughout the world.
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It must be obvious that If Jesus SAVED Jews from Destruction then the Prophets would all be FALSE.
That's not obvious, because it's not obvious that all the prophets said that the Jews would be destroyed.
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It must be obvious that If Jesus SAVED Jews from Destruction then the Prophets would all be FALSE.
That's not obvious, because it's not obvious that all the prophets said that the Jews would be destroyed.
What you say is NOT at all obvious.

It must be obvious I MUST be referring to all the prophets who claimed the Jews would be destroyed in Hebrew Scripture.
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It must be obvious that If Jesus SAVED Jews from Destruction then the Prophets would all be FALSE.
That's not obvious, because it's not obvious that all the prophets said that the Jews would be destroyed.
What you say is NOT at all obvious.

It must be obvious I MUST be referring to all the prophets who claimed the Jews would be destroyed in Hebrew Scripture.
It's not obvious that any prophets in the Hebrew Scriptures claimed that the Jews would be destroyed.
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]It's not obvious that any prophets in the Hebrew Scriptures claimed that the Jews would be destroyed.
How can you prove such a thing?
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How can you prove such a thing?
How can you prove that prophets in the Hebrew Scriptures claimed that the Jews would be destroyed?
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How can you prove such a thing?
How can you prove that prophets in the Hebrew Scriptures claimed that the Jews would be destroyed?
It can be shown that there are books in Hebrew Scripture that are claimed to have been written by prophets that state Jerusalem will be destroyed.
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How can you prove such a thing?
How can you prove that prophets in the Hebrew Scriptures claimed that the Jews would be destroyed?
It can be shown that there are books in Hebrew Scripture that are claimed to have been written by prophets that state Jerusalem will be destroyed.
I don't know whether it CAN be shown, but I do know that you HAVE NOT shown it; also, the destruction of JERUSALEM is not the same thing as the destruction of THE JEWS.
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