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Grog · 06-15-2012, 08:52 AM

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You just told him. I thought you did a good enough job of it.

I don't debate aa5874, so if he says anything you would like me to respond to, then please repeat it.

Umm..well, I'm not going to play the messenger. If you don't respond, you don't respond.

aa5874 · 06-15-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Grog

You just told him. I thought you did a good enough job of it.

I don't debate aa5874, so if he says anything you would like me to respond to, then please repeat it.

What!!! You know that that you used to debate with me but got badly whipped so you now HIDE behind "Ignore".

I don't IGNORE you. I destroy your absurd claims.

I "WHIP" you since you promote Chinese Whispers, Logical fallacies couple with Unreliable sources and your Imagination.

The Gospel of Abe is PRIMA FACIE evidence that the Jesus stories in the Canon could have been also DERIVED from sources of Fiction and Imagination in antiquity.

The authors of the Jesus stories did ADMIT they used the WRITTEN Words of the Prophets in Hebrew Scripture for almost all events of THEIR Jesus.

Grog · 06-15-2012, 09:14 AM

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where did the gospel authors get the idea of crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, if not from Paul?

oral tradition more then paul

Where did "oral tradition" get it? Ooops, just slipped beyond the event horizon.

aa5874 · 06-15-2012, 09:25 AM

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It's worth noting how the gospel relied on a source that totally misunderstood the style of writing of the prophecy of Zechariah. It doesn't mean that the messiah would ride on two animals simultaneously, but rather that he would ride on a single animal, specifically the offspring of a donkey rather than an adult donkey (the general and the specific).

Please, tell that to ApostateAbe because he does NOT know.

The Jesus story MADE the authors of the Canon of the Canon look like ASSES.

This is PRECISELY what was EXPECTED from authors who did NOT know their ASS from their Elbow in the Hebrew Scripture.

Surely, the people who read gMatthew's Multiple ASSES story most likely NEVER ever realized that the author of gMatthew made an ASS of himself and Zechariah 9.9.

Again, gMatthew 21.7 suggest that the Jesus story is UTTER Fiction.

Isaiah 7.14 was used in error to claim Jesus was conceived by a Ghost and a Virgin and Zechariah 9.9 was used to claim Jesus rode Multiple Asses.

Grog · 06-15-2012, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvduv

It's worth noting how the gospel relied on a source that totally misunderstood the style of writing of the prophecy of Zechariah. It doesn't mean that the messiah would ride on two animals simultaneously, but rather that he would ride on a single animal, specifically the offspring of a donkey rather than an adult donkey (the general and the specific).

Please, tell that to ApostateAbe because he does NOT know.

The Jesus story MADE the authors of the Canon of the Canon look like ASSES.

This is PRECISELY what was EXPECTED from authors who did NOT know their ASS from their Elbow in the Hebrew Scripture.

Surely, the people who read gMatthew's Multiple ASSES story most likely NEVER ever realized that the author of gMatthew made an ASS of himself and Zechariah 9.9.

Again, gMatthew 21.7 suggest that the Jesus story is UTTER Fiction.

Isaiah 7.14 was used in error to claim Jesus was conceived by a Ghost and a Virgin and Zechariah 9.9 was used to claim Jesus rode Multiple Asses.

I get the impression that even if Abe knew that, he would not incorporate it. He has his schtick and he's sticking to it.

Duvduv · 06-15-2012, 09:39 AM

Even if it appears that the authors of the gospels wrote them based on what they found on their local version of Wikipedia, it remains clear that there is only reference to these four basic versions of the gospel story. In other words, we still don't find a whole other version such as the Gospel of Anthony who describes Jesus as the son of Joanne who then married Phil who grew up in Beirut and was crucified by Genghis Khan in China. I am being humorous but you get the idea. Somehow the story in four variations, was all there was apparently. (I am not including the gnostic stories that seemed to have emerged later than the 4 gospels)

Grog · 06-15-2012, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Duvduv

Even if it appears that the authors of the gospels wrote them based on what they found on their local version of Wikipedia, it remains clear that there is only reference to these four basic versions of the gospel story. In other words, we still don't find a whole other version such as the Gospel of Anthony who describes Jesus as the son of Joanne who then married Phil who grew up in Beirut and was crucified by Genghis Khan in China. I am being humorous but you get the idea. Somehow the story in four variations, was all there was apparently. (I am not including the gnostic stories that seemed to have emerged later than the 4 gospels)

There is only one basic version of the gospel story.

ED: though there are examples of more than one type of Jesus-belief.

aa5874 · 06-15-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Grog

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Originally Posted by Duvduv

It's worth noting how the gospel relied on a source that totally misunderstood the style of writing of the prophecy of Zechariah. It doesn't mean that the messiah would ride on two animals simultaneously, but rather that he would ride on a single animal, specifically the offspring of a donkey rather than an adult donkey (the general and the specific).

Please, tell that to ApostateAbe because he does NOT know.

The Jesus story MADE the authors of the Canon of the Canon look like ASSES.

This is PRECISELY what was EXPECTED from authors who did NOT know their ASS from their Elbow in the Hebrew Scripture.

Surely, the people who read gMatthew's Multiple ASSES story most likely NEVER ever realized that the author of gMatthew made an ASS of himself and Zechariah 9.9.

Again, gMatthew 21.7 suggest that the Jesus story is UTTER Fiction.

Isaiah 7.14 was used in error to claim Jesus was conceived by a Ghost and a Virgin and Zechariah 9.9 was used to claim Jesus rode Multiple Asses.

I get the impression that even if Abe knew that, he would not incorporate it. He has his schtick and he's sticking to it.

Well, ApostateAbe will have to suffer the consequences. His INVENTED Jesus story will be DISMANTLED and shown to be a Myth Fable.

ApostateAbe · 06-15-2012, 10:05 AM

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Please, tell that to ApostateAbe because he does NOT know.

The Jesus story MADE the authors of the Canon of the Canon look like ASSES.

This is PRECISELY what was EXPECTED from authors who did NOT know their ASS from their Elbow in the Hebrew Scripture.

Surely, the people who read gMatthew's Multiple ASSES story most likely NEVER ever realized that the author of gMatthew made an ASS of himself and Zechariah 9.9.

Again, gMatthew 21.7 suggest that the Jesus story is UTTER Fiction.

Isaiah 7.14 was used in error to claim Jesus was conceived by a Ghost and a Virgin and Zechariah 9.9 was used to claim Jesus rode Multiple Asses.

I get the impression that even if Abe knew that, he would not incorporate it. He has his schtick and he's sticking to it.

I am actually in full agreement with aa5874 on this point. The author of the gospel of Matthew clumsily misread a certain passage of messianic prophecy, and he had Jesus ride two donkeys instead of just one. It is one of the most bizarre and comedic instances of gospel authors fitting their story to perceived prophecy.

ApostateAbe · 06-15-2012, 10:06 AM

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I did a search, and Metacrock was banned from this forum (a second time) in 2005 for insulting other members. Yeah, that's Metacrock.

You say, "Paul's Jesus is not the Jesus of the synoptics." But you also think that Peter and James were integrated into the gospel accounts. Maybe I don't get your meaning, or else this is going much deeper into the crazy zone. What exactly is the relationship between Paul's Jesus and Jesus of the synoptics? For example, where did the gospel authors get the idea of crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, if not from Paul? A creative reading of Josephus on Jesus ben Ananias, and the point that Paul also believed in a Jesus who was crucified and resurrected is just a coincidence?

Grog, don't miss this. What exactly is the relationship between Paul's Jesus and Jesus of the synoptics?

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Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	Even if it appears that the authors of the gospels wrote them based on what they found on their local version of Wikipedia, it remains clear that there is only reference to these four basic versions of the gospel story. In other words, we still don't find a whole other version such as the Gospel of Anthony who describes Jesus as the son of Joanne who then married Phil who grew up in Beirut and was crucified by Genghis Khan in China. I am being humorous but you get the idea. Somehow the story in four variations, was all there was apparently. (I am not including the gnostic stories that seemed to have emerged later than the 4 gospels)

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