mountainman

Forgery of "VC" as an hypothesis regarding the Therapeutae says Conybeare, is intrinsically less probable than that (the hypothesis) of Eusebius.

The hypothesis of Eusebius was that the therapeutae were Christians in the Apostolic Age and Philo bumped into Peter at Rome.

What?

SETTING: Rome, mid 1st century - Act 1: Philo meets the Apostle Peter


PETER: G'day Philo old mate. How's business?

PHILO: G'day Peter Chrestos Buddy. What statue are you leaning on Peter?

PETER: Just another pagan Asclepius statue. I hear your writing about the Jewish therapeutae?

PHILO: Where did you get that idea?

PETER: I have contacts. And no, I am not opening the pod bay doors Philo.

Lucius, Professors Schurer, E. Zeller, Ad. Harnack, Hilgenfeld, Hatch, Robertson Smith, Cheyne,
Drummond, Littledale, and many others wanted to identify "VC" as a 4th century forgery.

But obviously these people were just intellectual terrorists.

These professors were vandalising the integrity of "Philo" and the Church preserved Philonic corpus of literature.

It was MORE PROBABLE that "VC" was genuine but that the therapeuate in all of antiquity were Jewish.


The rest of the special operations group consists of rational individuals.

Some of these rational individuals have very large "IGNORE LISTS".

They are campaigning against the intellectual terrorists.

By official decree of the rational working group the therapeutae of antiquity were Jewish.

How long will it be until we see ...


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THEREFORE discussion concerning the forgery of "VC" is to be VERBOTEN.

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I have not seen one response by these self-professed rational people concerning citations to sources
such as the following which demonstrate the ubiquity of the pagan healing temple and its pagan therapeutae.


(1) Asclepius: Collection and Interpretation of the Testimonies (or via: amazon.co.uk) - Emma J. Edelstein, Ludwig Edelstein, Gary B. Ferngren

(2) Asclepius: The God of Medicine - Gerald D. Hart

Sheshbazzar

And are these Ethiopian monasteries occupied by one single individual studying and engaging in religious rituals in total seclusion during all daylight hours six days a week, not even so much as looking outside?
And are not used for communal gatherings and worship?

If not, then this Ethiopian religion is not that which was practiced by the Theraputae of ancient Alexandria.
Love to misrepresent others arguments don't you?

I designated Alexandrian Theraputae so as to distinguish this group from all of those other ancient pagan cults who were using this same term contemporarily.
Or are you going to claim that all of the 'therapeutae' of Asclepius were also entirely 'Jewish' ?
And this proves what? Show me exactly where it is that Philo says how many days were in the calendar used by the Theraputae of Alexandria.

We know by his report that their other practices were not all conventional Judaism, there is no reason to assume that their calendar conformed either.

What calendar some earlier, other, or latter group may have been, or may be presently keeping does not at all inform us of anything concerning what manner of calendar may have been kept by these Therapeutae of Alexandria.


You flatter yourself. You haven't came near convincing me. ...except of things that the forum rules forbid me expressing.

The 364 day calendar used by the Jews of Alexandria is of no significance when you cannot provide any evidence proving Philo's Theraputae ever employed it.

stephan huller

It's in the text. You have to learn to read better.

mountainman

I would not do that if I were you.

As an amateur historian my productivity has contributed to my understanding of antiquity. I see my investigation as worthwhile. This thread is an example. I have learnt a great deal since it stated.

I have seen that Shesh's distinction between Jewish and Hebrew is extremely relevant to the understanding of Eusebius propaganda in P.E.

In between all the noise you have been making have you scanned:

Philonic Allusions in Eusebius, PE 7.7-8
Aaron P. Johnson
The Classical Quarterly
Vol. 56, No. 1 (May, 2006) (pp. 239-248)

Sheshbazzar

Please quote the exact text you have in mind.

mountainman

This brings us back to a question asked earlier in this thread.

Who used the image of single snake on a staff first?

Moses or the cult of Asclepius ?

Eusebius argues that the pagan religious philosophy

* possessed historical lateness,
* dependended upon other nations,
* contributed to corruption in character, and
* contributed to irrational ways of thinking.

Emperor Julian berated a "wretched" Eusebius for claiming either the Jews of the Hebrews invented logic.

The Christian propaganda controls the perception that Plato read Moses.

And that the Greek intellectual tradition owed it's prestige to Moses.

Wouldn't this have surprised the Greek intellectuals of antiquity?



There is no doubt the snake and the tree of life predate writing.

We know when Eusebius wrote, but when did Moses supposedly write?

stephan huller

Jews didn't use an image of anything or anyone

mountainman

Numbers 21:9

So was Moses the prophet of Asclepius or did he simply appeal to the antiquity and authority of Asclepius?

Sheshbazzar

No. it was Moses the Hebrew in the Torah that made the Nehushtan.

There weren't any 'Jews' in that story.

Sheshbazzar

Still waiting for you to identify that text stephan.