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Toto · 09-11-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by artdude

Do you have the Philo reference?

It's in Flaccus

Toto · 09-11-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chili

Toto, do we have any physical evidence of those crucifixions or are they all from records that seem rather mythical at best. Like I know, or suspect, that the crucifixion of Jesus was reported some 100 years later to kind of let all skeletons die first.

Or do you think maybe they did some real ones so the Internet Infidels would have something to argue about 2000 years later.

Philo's record is not part of his mystical writings. He wrote to present a complaint against the conduct of the governor Flaccus, which he delivered as head of a delegation of Alexandrian Jews to the Roman Emperor.

Chili · 09-11-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Philo's record is not part of his mystical writings. He wrote to present a complaint against the conduct of the governor Flaccus, which he delivered as head of a delegation of Alexandrian Jews to the Roman Emperor.

. . . and rightly so. I glanced over it but will read it later.

I saw no mention of crucifixions but just other tortures that haunted him. "I put many persons to death, and when some of them were put to death by others, I did not chastise their murderers. Some were stoned; some were burnt alive; others were dragged through the middle of the market-place till the whole of their bodies were torn to pieces. "

Nice story, though, but the narrator missed the mark with his Shakespeare allegory on the taste of death.

cognac · 09-11-2005, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chili

. . . and rightly so. I glanced over it but will read it later.

I saw no mention of crucifixions but just other tortures that haunted him. "I put many persons to death, and when some of them were put to death by others, I did not chastise their murderers. Some were stoned; some were burnt alive; others were dragged through the middle of the market-place till the whole of their bodies were torn to pieces. "

Nice story, though, but the narrator missed the mark with his Shakespeare allegory on the taste of death.

From the above link:

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(83) I have known instances before now of men who had been crucified when this festival and holiday was at hand, being taken down and given up to their relations, in order to receive the honours of sepulture, and to enjoy such observances as are due to the dead; for it used to be considered, that even the dead ought to derive some enjoyment from the natal festival of a good emperor, and also that the sacred character of the festival ought to be regarded. (84) But this man did not order men who had already perished on crosses to be taken down, but he commanded living men to be crucified, men to whom the very time itself gave, if not entire forgiveness, still, at all events, a brief and temporary respite from punishment; and he did this after they had been beaten by scourgings in the middle of the theatre; and after he had tortured them with fire and sword; (85) and the spectacle of their sufferings was divided; for the first part of the exhibition lasted from the morning to the third or fourth hour, in which the Jews were scourged, were hung up, were tortured on the wheel, were condemned, and were dragged to execution through the middle of the orchestra; and after this beautiful exhibition came the dancers, and the buffoons, and the flute-players, and all the other diversions of the theatrical contests.

crucified, hung up, same thing right?

Chili · 09-11-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by artdude

From the above link:

crucified, hung up, same thing right?

Yes, no problem, same thing, thanks. Is it possible that this was a public display against witchcraft? I noticed that the word "bewitched" is used in Galatians 3:1 (or "who has cast a spell over you?") and so also where the children of Israel who ate bread from heaven and died nonetheless. Jesus used them to distinguish his bread of life with their manna.

I hate to write this here but when I see the wheel used as a torture instrument it follows that they are trying to feed the storks in effort to give them a speedy afterlife. But maybe not.

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