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Doug Shaver · 01-23-2012, 10:14 PM

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I think you will find that what sotto voce meant by 'the forced baptisms of Clovis' was not 'baptisms which Clovis was forced to accept' but 'baptisms which Clovis forced other people to accept', although I'm guessing here, because sotto voce has not had the courtesy to provide 'uns own explanation.

For some Christians, explanations are superfluous. You just have to believe what they say, not understand it. As the title of a certain hymn has it, "Trust and Obey."

mountainman · 01-24-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

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Originally Posted by J-D

I think you will find that what sotto voce meant by 'the forced baptisms of Clovis' was not 'baptisms which Clovis was forced to accept' but 'baptisms which Clovis forced other people to accept', although I'm guessing here, because sotto voce has not had the courtesy to provide 'uns own explanation.

For some Christians, explanations are superfluous. You just have to believe what they say, not understand it. As the title of a certain hymn has it, "Trust and Obey."

To whom were the original sacraments sworn?

Is this an example of disinformation to be believed?

At the start of the 3rd century Tertullian, in De corona, condemned any Christian soldier's willingness to swear the sacramentum, since baptism was the only sacrament a Christian should observe.

And was Tertullian a real person?

judge · 01-24-2012, 05:09 PM

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How did Christianity's understanding of the biography of Jesus cross the Rubicon from..parable to literal history?

1) The Pauline epistles strongly indicate that Paul's Jesus never walked the earth. .

Yes this is the thing

. And its what makes this forum such a valuable place. Here we can be rational about these things, and admit these "strong indications" are real and true and trustworthy.

Like when paul wrote in his letter to the Hesitations that.."This Jesus, who never walked the earth, but only lived on the moon."

book of Hesitations chapter 4 verse 11

sotto voce · 01-24-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

For some Christians, explanations are superfluous. You just have to believe what they say, not understand it. As the title of a certain hymn has it, "Trust and Obey."

To whom were the original sacraments sworn?

Is this an example of disinformation to be believed?

At the start of the 3rd century Tertullian, in De corona, condemned any Christian soldier's willingness to swear the sacramentum, since baptism was the only sacrament a Christian should observe.

And was Tertullian a real person?

Oh, yes, definitely. He lied profusely, a quite reliable indicator of a real person!

Among other notions of his, he couldn't find the concept of sacrament in his Bible. Water baptism is optional. (Why skeptics are so often insistent that it is not is one of life's mysteries.)

J-D · 01-25-2012, 03:40 AM

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... allow to me to state my position ...

Please do. Go ahead. What is your position?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand ... nothing.

Doug Shaver · 01-25-2012, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mountainman

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Originally Posted by Doug Shaver

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Originally Posted by J-D

I think you will find that what sotto voce meant by 'the forced baptisms of Clovis' was not 'baptisms which Clovis was forced to accept' but 'baptisms which Clovis forced other people to accept', although I'm guessing here, because sotto voce has not had the courtesy to provide 'uns own explanation.

For some Christians, explanations are superfluous. You just have to believe what they say, not understand it. As the title of a certain hymn has it, "Trust and Obey."

To whom were the original sacraments sworn?

Is this an example of disinformation to be believed?

At the start of the 3rd century Tertullian, in De corona, condemned any Christian soldier's willingness to swear the sacramentum, since baptism was the only sacrament a Christian should observe.

And was Tertullian a real person?

Shouldn't you start a new thread if you going to change the subject like this?

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