ApostateAbe

I strongly conclude that Jesus is far more analogous to Joseph Smith than the Angel Moroni.

Basically, Jesus is the reputed human founder and reputed human leader of the religion that was a doomsday cult according to its earliest doctrines. And, so was Joseph Smith, but not the Angel Moroni.

These claims are not speculations--they are well-established facts. So, if you think that Jesus is more analogous to Angel Moroni than Joseph Smith, then please explain your reasoning with facts.

Why does this matter? If you are going to argue your case with historical patterns, then you need to be sure that your model fits the patterns better than the model of the opposition.

dog-on

You can strongly conclude all you like. You are still mistaken.

Smith would be analogus to Paul.

stephan huller

If Jesus didn't introduce the gospel how could he be like Joseph Smith?

ApostateAbe

Jesus is the reputed human founder and reputed human leader of the religion that was a doomsday cult according to its earliest doctrines. And, so was Joseph Smith, but not the Angel Moroni.

Those are my facts.

What are your facts?

Steven Carr

I'll buy it.

Where does Paul say Jesus appointed apostles?

Although to be fair, Paul does say that the Lord revealed how the cult could conjure up his body in a ritual meal.

That puts Jesus on a par with Satan , doesn't it? I can't think of many other characters who instruct their followers on how to conjure up their bodies in a ritual.

dog-on

Well, one of those is a fact. Bet you can't guess which one...

ApostateAbe

Are you quibbling with my assertions of facts? It is not necessary for the facts to be contained in the writings of Paul, though Paul does claim that Jesus sent Paul himself to be an apostle, in Galatians 1:1. The facts are most certainly contained in the gospels, which also count as early Christian writings.

Now, what are your facts? What facts make Jesus more like Angel Moroni than Joseph Smith?

bacht

Assuming a real Jesus, he probably was an apocalyptic prophet, one among others. But instead of the end of the world, his career signals the end of death (assuming an actual resurrection). This is an expansion of the martyriology of Daniel and the Maccabean revolt.

This gets combined with a heavenly messiah role, and Jesus becomes the Christ, the coming (or returning) instrument of God's judgment.

Is Joseph Smith an analog of Moses, revealing the divine law to mankind?

dog-on

:hysterical:

ApostateAbe

That's a great start to a mythicist model (start a thread on it), but the problem I am presenting here does not closely relate. I need the set of facts (not speculations) that make Jesus seem more like the Angel Moroni than Joseph Smith. I gave my facts.