Chili

In my OP I wrote that Jesus was a Jew and when he became Christ he was no longer a Jew which is all together different than merely stating that Jesus was a Jew.

The whole message in the Gospels is about the transformation from Jesus the Jew to Jesus the Christ and for this to be possible the idea (Annunciation) had to non-Jewish (to avoid "flesh begets flesh") which was to be conceived by a Virgin (no sin in heaven) who was therefore not Jewish because Jews are sinners (or Jesus would not have a cross to bear) and Mary was not a sinner (sic) and therefore not a Jew.

It's not Zen but just controversial.

Gawen

My goodness. I didn't know one had to go to such extremes to renounce their Jewish heritage. No wonder other Jews don't do it. Ahhh...but it makes for a fanciful fiction though, don't it?

Chili

It's really very simple and the Jewish heritage does not have to be renounced permanently because the apostles were raised into heaven. It is just a contemplative state of mind that also Einstein went through and he left religion while Spinoza did not (I may be out on a limb here but he was crucified by them and never really left Judaism).

If knowledge frees faith and doubt must be annihilated through understanding and I guess, the size of the ark makes a difference in how deep it cuts into the [celestial] water.

Bright Life

From my discussions with your Amos persona, and in this thread, I know that asking you direct questions rarely yields an answer. When you do answer, it seems to me that you are spinning flax into gold. Where do you get this stuff? I have yet to see a valid reference to verify your dogma.

BL

Chili

But it's all in the bible (I only read the NT) and it is not dogma. It is just my interpretation and maybe I just have a helium filled ark that did not slice to deep.

But seriously I can verify all I write and it is in the bible (except that I can seldom find it).

But I have company and must leave it at this for now.

Bright Life

Please do.

BL

Chili

It never was my idea to have an Amos persona but that was the name of my dog and easy for me to remember. Now I am Chili because of my new E-mail address and Chili is just a bridge player I know.

Well the apostles once were the shepherds of Jesus who were out on the night that Christ was born. Normally it is insane to think that shepherds are out herding sheep at night but this time that was needed so Christ could be born into the mind of Joseph. We now have the idea that Christ was born into the mind of Joseph while the shepherds were out to indicate that Joseph was beyond reason when this happened to make the shepherds equal to the strongholds in his faculty of reason and they were herding sheep because they were in charge of the many possessions of Joseph the wily carpenter who really had no sheep but had 12 eidetic images that made him question and search for the true meaning in life.

After Christ was born Joseph was a new creation now called Jesus and he assigned new duties to his 'helpers' and called them apostles instead (= true metanoia). He was now divided between 2 recognizable identities and was sure to annihilate one to set the other free without losing his sanity . . . wherefore the apostles had forsaken him before he was crucified later to be recalled into his subconscious mind etc. etc. Incidently, Macbeth was an apostle short and that proved detrimental to his fate.

I can fill in the blanks but you probable know enough already.

Bright Life

Ehem...<cough>...still waiting...

BL

mrmoderate

I believe BrightLife was referring to backing up your rhetoric with something from biblical text, not from your interpretation of, whatever it is you are misinturpreting.

mrmoderate

Oh, and Jesus was born a Jew, lived as Jew, died as a Jew and was resurrected according to Jewish prophecy. Only in the distorted hateful rantings of the Catholic Church did Jesus become non-Jewish.